5d ago

maybe sending dms across the fediverse

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It's why SMS still exists too. It's from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money. Big tech conglomerates like we have now didn't exist. The state of the tech industry and it's proprietary standards is absolutely fucked.
- Google is trying to kill SMS. My new android by default has sms disabled, defaulting to RCS with "try sending sms instead if rcs fails to send" option being off by default, which makes no sense from user perspective
  
  RCS is actually a huge improvement over SMS, as it is fully encrypted. One of the few times I've ever approved of something Google did...
  
  If only it was an open standard...
  
  It... is? It's an open standard that anyone can use and implement. The main provider is Google and there has been a huge push from them to get Apple to adopt, which they mostly have. It's not 'owned' by any company. It's predominantly serviced by Google, but is in fact an open standard. Google and others have their own format which is how they and their apps interpret and interact with each other, but it is an open standard. There are some backend and requirements for it which stops most from setting it up and implementing off the shelf and just going with Google, but you absolutely could use and make your own format with the standard.
  
  Yep, main reason it's associated with Google because they bought a company (Jibe Mobile) making one of the main backend service offerings and offered cloud hosting of it, so providers just went with that rather than rolling out their own software.
  Also with Apple ignoring it in favour of iMessage, Google was the only one supporting it on handsets. Google client + Google backend = people think it's Google's iMessage competitor.
  
  which makes no sense from user perspective
  I'd say it does have some merit from a security perspective though.
  I agree it should be something that's at least more clear for users to enable/disable on setup, but I personally don't think having it enabled by default is ideal, considering how insecure SMS is.
  
  ...but I can literally send infected files thru RCS to my grandma.
  
  True, as is the case with almost any messaging service. But the benefits of RCS do include:
  Not having a government/telecom company be capable of snooping on your messages
  Branded messages that clearly distinguish real companies from fake ones, which can prevent an untold number of scams as it becomes more commonplace
  Uses more modern protocols instead of still being capable of sending over old, insecure ones like 2G.
  It's purely an improvement over SMS in terms of security and privacy, and personally, I don't think users should be defaulted into having their phone downgrade to insecure protocols. It should always be an opt-in decision they have to make. (although they could definitely make it clearer that someone could enable it if their messages are failing to send with RCS)
- SMS was never intended to be available to end users. It was built as a side channel to help field techs with diagnostics. When consumer handsets started to add features, it was co-opted to provide what we know it as today.
  
  That explains why way back when I tried to read the GSM (1.x) specification out of curiosity, it turned out SMS were going via a "control channel".
  Always wondered why the data for those was going via a control channel rather than some kind of data channel.
- It’s from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money.
  SMS is literally from a time when every mobile phone manufacturer had their on charger plug. And some tried pushing proprietary headphone jacks.
  Vendors LOVE vendor lock-in.
  
  Yeah that's because vendor lockin for hardware had already started. It's kind of a miracle we got everyone to agree to USB. Look at cars, same thing. Everyone agreed to the same gas pump, but it's been decades and we can't agree on a standard for electric car chargers. That's what happens when industries mature under capitalism
  
  The GSM protocol was an actual standard enforced on operators across Europe, which is why back when mobile telephony took off, it very much exploded in Europe (in turn propelling companies such as Nokia and Ericcson) but was much slower to take of in the US were there were various private and competing mobile telephony protocols.
  The vendors didn't agree on anything on their own, they were forced to agree as part of the conditions of the various radio spectrum auctions all over Europe. The US then finally followed at around GSM v3.
  You see a similar thing for USB - it's an international standard and standardization around USB 3 and the USB-C connector it is being forced on vendors by the EU.
- Rather than build for humanity they build for the demon capital.

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