X.com blocks access to Ekrem Imamoglu, leader of Turkey political opposition
X blocks access to jailed Istanbul mayor's account after Turkey request, group says
Nazi platform.
Make sure to stop clicking on Nazi links when people post them. No matter how bad you want to see someone "prank" someone or cry about their perceived persecution.
We need to stop making a Nazi platform important enough that it hurts democratic politicians when they lose access because of the Nazi in charge of said platform.
and if you absolutely must see something on twitter, use xcancel instead.
its a frontend for the same content, that doesn't add views or ad revenue to twitter.
ABC is a nazi platform now?
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X are also challenging the legal order in court: https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
You've called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
You've called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi, and that the person above didn't say anything about letting, the authoritarian regime in turkey off the hook.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi
It's not.
Perhaps you have not been following the news. Elon Musk owns Twitter these days.
It's not
It is.
No? I don't like lots of people, and only the far right fascist supporters, and nazis, and nazi simps I call nazis. I didn't call elon, Hitler. So go stroke your ego elsewhere
You: "I don't just call anyone I don't like nazi or hitler!"
Also you: proceeds to call everyone I don't like nazi or hitler
Why would anyone bother having a conversation with someone like you who lies about the tiniest most pedantic details? You could've easily conceded the point that they didn't call Elon Hitler but nope, gotta add "nazi or hitler" to make sure I'm right! Any conversation with someone like you is going to be fruitless and it's pretty obvious you need to touch grass.
You: Defending nazis.
You: Gets whiney when accused of being a nazi.
I don’t care when people who call everyone Nazis for daring to think illegal immigrants should be deported, for example, call me a Nazi. No skin off my back. In fact it’s a good thing, as it just turns more and more people away from the far left. This behaviour is the main reason why the democrats were blown off the map in the presidential election. Normal people have just had enough of the far lefts never ending name calling and bullshit. The more you do it the worse you look, so keep going :)
Also you: *proceeds to call everyone I don't like nazi or hitler
The fucking kind of mental gymnastics are those? Jfc try harder buddy.
Yes I call nazis nazis, but not everyone I dislike is a nazi, nor do I call them that hahaha.
Yes I call nazis nazis
The problem is that the people you're calling nazis aren't nazis. That's where the meme comes from. That's why being called a nazi doesn't bother anyone anymore. That's why actual nazis are getting more and more confident and open in their beliefs - because when everyone is called a nazi, actual nazi's can operate out in the open and no one will listen when they're called out for actually being a nazi.
I can give you 10 people I don't like and only one of them I know definitely to be a nazi.
That one guy is Elon Musk.
I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.
Also, X didn't give a shit about complying in Brazil.
Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it's that simple.
You can come down the mirror now.
Bluesky blocked his account in turkey btw, just like X did. Bluesky have made no mention of challenging the legal request in court like X have though.
Iirc the Brazil situation was the first time anything like this had happened since Musk bought Twitter. They definitely didn’t handle it correctly, but they’ve clearly learned since then. Now they comply with legal requests and challenge them through the courts. Would you prefer they just folded every time and didn’t challenge, like all the others? Like Bluesky?
Good work on calling me a nazi though! I did nazi that coming!!
The fact that Bluesky didn't post about it doesn't mean they did not challenge.
Also, a file on Google Drive is not a petition submitted. There is nowhere a letter signed or stamped as received.
You know you can pay a law firm for drafting a letter and then not send it, right?
There are too many conclusions you are coming to without knowing the actual facts.
I judge what happened for sure.
And for sure both of them complied, officially asked to or not, to obscuring a political prisoner's account (and dozens of other activists as well, by the way).
Also, regarding X, this is old news, from the end of March.
Also, are you X? Like, the platform, its personification? Because if you are not, then I didn't call you a nazi. You can go clean your snot from your neckbeard.
So your position is that X aren’t challenging the censorship request in court?
That’s one hill to die on I guess.
The X post is from the other day, not March.
I hear often Nazi this Nazi that? I think it has lost meaning. Can you explain what Nazi is? Vs Nazi from like WW2?
Some people wouldn't know a Nazi if he was sending people to camps without trial, trying to outlaw the political opposition, fomenting a cult of personality, launching coups, oppressing the most vulnerable people, ratcheting up racist attacks, and threatening to attack Denmark.
Would Xi jinping be a Nazi?
I believe he likes to be called Winnie
He's certainly a fascist autocrat
As a serious answer, Musk is into modern variants of eugenics and some scary techno-authoritarian stuff he shares with Peter Theil and other Silicon Valley royalty.
Maybe he’s a techno-neonazi? That’s just semantics.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring. But “Nazi” is an reasonable enough descriptor for his beliefs.
Note how Jin, the Nazi Defender (not a Nazi themselves, they just defend people who are justifiably called Nazis) won't respond to your answer.
One feature from Reddit I liked was the ability to tag people. Or maybe that was the reddit enhancement suite. But Jin would've earned himself a big red "Nazi Defender" tag.
you can also tag people on Lemmy, or at least I can. look for the About User menu then "Add Tag" or "Tag user" from their profile
That must be specific to whatever app you are using. It isn't in the default ones.
Hmm.. I definitely don't see an About user menu or Add Tag or Tag User on their profile. Maybe it has something to do with your lemmy browser.
Nah its much simpler label than that.
“Troll”
The topic doesn’t matter, it more about fishing for provocation. In this case I couldn’t help myself, but… you know, don’t feed the trolls.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring.
Tim Waltz did the exact same salute btw. The same Tim Waltz that says that Trump 100% did a nazi salute. I guess Tim Waltz is a Nazi too.
Here's the full, non cropped video. It's around the 1:51 mark.
It's not around the 1:15 mark, it's around the 2min mark. Same "salute" as Musk.
It really isn't. It's not even close. You said I had gold medal mental gymnastics, but you've just done another gold medal performance.
E: but thank you for pointing out my typo
His gesture is as much of a "Nazi salute" as Elon Musks. They're either both Nazi salutes, or neither are. No other option.
No, they are nothing alike, at all.
You: "either everything is "A" or everything is "B", there is no alternatives.
See how silly that is?
By "everything" you mean "these 2 specific examples", don't you?
🤣
No, that is not how words or logic or anything really works. But it is unsurprising that a fascist like you wouldn't know that, considering you don't really care about words.
🤣 I like how you guys think people care when you call them fascists, Nazis, etc.
One of these things is not like the other
It is funny how the video clearly disproves your lying claim.
Tim Waltz does not have eugenics-adjacent beliefs.
Also, I think you may have misinterpreted what “red herring” means.
I didn't misinterpret that, I was simply pointing out that it wasn't a nazi salute unless you also think Tim Waltz is a nazi.
And you are bringing up a red herring (salutes) that doesn’t matter, because, well, I don’t know. But that’s the whole point of the saying.
Yes notice the crisp snappy way waltz did it? With fingers together, and twice so there is no way to doubt what it was? Ohhh wait sorry that was elons.
Yeah, elon's not a nazi...
...he just wanted to send out a message of hope and support to nazis round the world by siegheiling twice on stage behind the seal of the United States...yeah...
All the nazis saw it as a nazi salute too! They were chuffed! Let's not ignore his love and support for the afd, and antisemites on Twitter!
hahahaha the mental gymnastics is gold medal worthy.
Yes, the way you say two, very very different things are the same is certainly gold medal worthy mental gymnastics. Well said.
Yes, you are indeed a real spectacle.
I can appreciate this is reply, thanks 👍
If you perform a Nazi salute, you're a Nazi.
Musk performed TWO Nazi salutes on national television during a presidential inauguration.
Musk owns X.
Anymore questions? Do I need to illustrate with crayons?
Tim Waltz, one of the people vigorously calling Musk a Nazi for doing that action, is on video doing the exact same "salute":
You'll agree Tim Waltz is a Nazi, I assume?
Some would say a Roman salute 🫡 So anything else substantial? That can't be interpreted as something else?
Italian here, Roman actually.
The Roman salute has not origin in ancient history.
It was formalized by Gabriele D'Annunzio, a sick fascist poet and writer, as a salute for his proto-fascist troops with which he occupied Fiume in modern-day Croatia, having been inspired this painting.
So yea, the roman salute is a fascist salute, invented by a fascist, for a fascist occurrence and to call it roman is a disservice to Rome and history in general.
But anything else? that's what I'm asking
There's plenty:
But this is the most I am willing to engage at the moment with an obvious troll
not my job and this is not the place to waste my time providing a textbook-level of evidence of what you could have researched yourself if you were willing to be persuaded, but ask your History teacher if you're seriously asking.
Then why did you reply to me?
I know what a Nazi is However people often misuse it with people they disagree with. Elon already had a lot of hate before that.
Can a Jew be a Nazi? Are Kanye a Nazi?
People with their beehive mentality, just echoes being what other people says. Can't have simple discussions without people trying crucify you for asking questions.
Here's a question: why don't you take their advice seriously instead of being so sensitive to their manners?
If you can't answer him that's all you have to say.
Don't do this rigamarole of "do your own research to justify why other people use their words."
simple asked what the difference was and if there was anything substantial. Jews and other still use x or Tesla , people are being aggressive if you talk about it.
I think it has lost meaning.
It has. Completely. Basically what it means today is "people who disagree with me" and should be regarded as such. Unfortunately the actual nazis will fly under the radar now.
Great movie
The word 'nazi' has 100% lost its meaning.
Might as well just be saying "I don't like this person or group of people because they disagree with me."
Dude, Musk literally thinks he has superior genes. The fuck are you high on?
I guess we can start adding 'nazi sympathizer' to the list of terms that have lost their meaning.
Remember, you only have people like yourself to blame.
Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I'll even agree he's kinda better than many other variants.
You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).
The dude is trying to delete Mustafa Kemal's name everywhere, claiming he is a kemalist is the equivelant of calling Stalin a nazi,
It is from a point of view of political science. He hates Ataturk but that doesn't prevent him to use his methods.
he isnt comparable the toenail of Mustafa Kemal. All he does is selling off state properties and factories, polar opposite of what Ataturk did.
That's an emotional reply. However he did fucked up the country pretty bad. But he uses Ataturk's methods to stay in power, which apparently he studied them well. Of course it doesn't describe him alone, he's a combination of an Islamist, a centrist and a Kemalist. More or like what an islamokemalist is.
Ah yes, I can see how you can see the guy who used religion all his political career to his advantage and shat on the constitution just so he can stay in power longer, as a Kemalist.
/s
Like legit, the guy hates Ataturk's guts, yet these idiots claim that he is a Kemalist.
I want what they are smoking. Must be some pretty good shit.
As I said, it's a baseline for Turkey. Relative to that baseline he's almost an Islamist, yep. Relative to it he was also a liberal initially.
I know, it's basically impossible to be a politician in Turkey and not some kind of that.
If you look at most Sunni societies, their political ideology optimal point is simple - behead all the infidels, take all that belongs to Muslims, and that'd be all that Muslims claim, and institute Sharia law.
Young Turks and Kemal managed to transform that into a viable nationalist ideology. To be centered on Turks instead of Sunnis.
No secular regime in a Middle-Eastern Muslim country after them has managed to achieve that.
So - Erdogan's Muslim part in ideology is about equating Muslim and Ottoman, not about returning to the initially described system.
Of course, it does not have the same goal. But it uses the same system.
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor... is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the sheer stupidity needed to come up with such a take!
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
You mean Mustafa Kemal had no ill will when his army was massacring 200k Armenians in Kars and further during Turkish-Armenian war of 1920? Or burning Smyrna with its inhabitants?
The best argument in favor of any pessimism about future is how Westerners conditioned to know that Hitler is bad, very bad, praise Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. BTW, in kinda similar terms to the popular praise of Hitler in English-speaking countries before the war.
As a person he was absolutely not better, however he was intelligent enough to pick achievable goals.
