16 Democrats Just Voted to Confirm Another Trump Appointee
16 Democrats Just Voted to Confirm Another Trump Appointee
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I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.
Every time I think I'm too cynical, democrats prove me wrong. They don't get to come back from supporting a genocide.
I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one.
But?
But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with.
Oh yeah. Wouldn't want to other those people who carry swastika flags and chant "Jews will not replace us" after all, they're the only demographic that matters to the democratic party, and they're willing to throw all of us under the bus for a 1% chance at getting a single nazi vote. You're bus fodder just like me and don't you forget it. The femtosecond republicans express the slightest displeasure at your existence, you'll be under the bus with all the disposables you don't consider worth defending because it might other some contemptible nazi.
With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe.
With every betrayal, democrats converge on expressing what they actually believe.
I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons.
There is no major party that does not fight against everything you claim to stand for here.
As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.
We're dealing with nazis. You don't win over nazis by appeasement. You don't win them over with magnanimity. They do not want to parlay. They want you dead.
I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have.
Then maybe they should stop giving up whatever power they have every time they have the opportunity to do so.
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How would you deal with these Nazis and other fellow Americans who you disagree with? Let's say you're the new president and your party controls both houses of government.
Trump is allowing people to be disappeared to El Salvador. Would you do the same to these people you call Nazis? What about the 45 million or so people who voted for this shit?
I agree the political situation sucks. But solutions aren't easy, and eventually, at the end of the day, we have to be united or there is only war and violence forever.
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at the end of the day, we have to be united or there is only war and violence forever.
centrists only want to unite with republicans. They only want to oppose the left.
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You don't have to be a centrist to be able to work with people whose priorities are not the same as your own. Most modern democracies actually have fairly healthy cooperation between different political parties who are quite far apart on the issues that matter the most to them.
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Democrats spent a year supporting a genocide. How much further to the right do you want them to go?
As though there's a limit.
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You seem to be having a different argument to me. Are you abandoning politics altogether then?
I want to see an alternative to the big two as much as anyone. We don't get there through opting out of civic participation.
Armed revolution i.e. civil war will likewise just be a disster. Countless deaths and decades of chaos aren't worth a possibility of something that might be better, if there is any alternative.
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