When the "heros" simp for billionaires rule
When the "heros" simp for billionaires rule
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There are literally several opposition parties who feel like this. They will never get power because of the first past the post voting system and this particular stance can be so easily argued as anti American that if this is all you have to run on, you’re screwed because we have Trump to deal with and destroying party unity for this would help him.
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2016 called they want their propaganda back
I'm not voting for Neoliberals anymore. No matter how much they try to guilt me.
Sorry.
They have had 50 years of control and have only helped push our society further twoards the right and fascism.
If the Neoliberals want to vote with the leftists this time that's fine, but they have proven they are impotent leaders.
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This is something the evangelicals understand that the left doesn't. Politicians are tools. You use the best available tool to do the job.
They're using Trump to get what they want.
You're proposing we build a tool factory on a ten year timeline to build a better tool, and until then we just do fuck all.
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Hi, quick question, I'm trying to farm a plot of land, but I only have two tools, one that spreads salt over it and another that spreads nuclear waste over it, how should I proceed?
When both tools are actively harmful to the tasks you're trying to accomplish, you shouldn't use either. In fact you should dismantle them entirely, maybe once they're fully destroyed you can salvage something useful from the parts. But you certainly don't use the machine that salts the earth if you're hoping to grow plants, and you certainly don't use the Democratic party if you're looking to advance progressive causes.
These people hate us and everything we want to accomplish, why on earth would we just fall in line behind them, asking nothing in return?
Btw, the right is far more inclined towards defection from their party when they don't get their way. That's the reason why the Republican party has been shifted to the right. It's liberals who are die hard committed to this suicidal and irrational ideology of "lesser evilism."
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Because if you don't choose the salt, someone else will use the nuke anyway.
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If I do choose salt, then I won't grow any plants and will starve come winter anyway. Who gives a shit?
It's impossible to reason with you people, no matter what kind of analogy I use, your brains are fully seeped in the ideology of dying slowly, that's all you can imagine and all you aspire to.
I'm not going to spread salt over my own fields to stop someone from spreading nuclear waste, I'm going to get out there and wave a fucking stick at anyone who comes around trying to spread either, and if the rest of you damn fools would get out of that damn salt tractor and join me, we might actually have a chance at actual survival. Until then, even if your tractors are stronger than my stick, at least I'll die trying to survive.
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Who gives a shit?
Getting away from the silly analogy: trans people and minorities and immigrants. They suffer more by the wrong choice from two bad choices.
Maybe you suffer exactly the same. Good for you. Enjoy that privilege. But maybe next time use that privilege to help those who aren't as lucky.
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Maybe you suffer exactly the same. Good for you. Enjoy that privilege.
"Suffering is privilege" god I hate it when y'all co-opt progressive language to argue for a right-wing agenda like this. I'd rather you just call me a slur.
But maybe next time use that privilege to help those who aren’t as lucky.
That's literally what I did this time. Except that Palestinians either don't register to you as human beings, or you've made peace with sacrificing them in exactly the same way you'll make peace with sacrificing trans people and immigrants the moment you feel we're too much of a liability.
There are so many ongoing crises that I can't even keep track of them all and the Democrats don't want to do shit to fix any of them and your solution is to salt your own fields and just keep sleepwalking straight into collapse. It's literal insanity.
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Suffering less is absolutely a privilege. In what universe would it not be?
I'm not sure if you've noticed but I really only read the first two sentences of your replies. In case you were wondering how much time to spend on me.
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Suffering less is absolutely a privilege. In what universe would it not be?
You said that suffering "exactly the same" as the examples you brought up was "privileged," meaning that suffering itself is a privilege, not "suffering less."
I'm not sure if you’ve noticed but I really only read the first two sentences of your replies.
You literally can't understand any idea that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker 💀
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So who do you plan to vote for next election then?
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Whoever seems to have the most support that is an independent. Or at least not a D/R
I've given every vote of my adult life to the Democratic party, and they have never meaningfully improved things in my lifetime besides the ACA.
We need leadership that wants to do more than just maintain the status quo.
I'll probably keep voting Democrat for local elections because I like the things my local reps have been doing, and the Republicans locally are batshit
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If you don't mind me asking, just because I'm curious, what age range do you place yourself in? I don't want to know your actual age because I hate asking people for that direct of information online, but just using 5 year intervals, are you 20-25, 25-30, etc.? Only if you're comfortable answering because I'm interested in understanding trends as best I can.
I'll probably keep voting Democrat for local elections because I like the things my local reps have been doing
I also think this is important to note, because a lot of the time the work is done at the lower level. Obviously with the current admin that has changed for America, but I'm at least happy to hear you feel represented by your local reps.
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sigh
You post a message containing a demand for an opposition party, then when you're reminded that they exist you say you won't vote for them.
And people wonder why most countries have wandered centre-right over the past 40 years.
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SIGH
I have voted dem all my life.
I'm done waiting for them to force their rich doners to make the necessary concessions for our economy and society to function for everybody again.
The Neoliberal leadership that has 100% control of the private ran DNC party is not interested in making their rich doners and friends lose money.
You need to understand when I say private I mean PRIVATE
The DNC leaders choose the canidate, they don't legally have to hold a primary, they don't legally have to hold fair primaries.
Becauae these shaded figures with private control of the DNC have 100% control of who is the Democratic candidate they will never choose someone who is willing to make meaningful change at the expense of their doners who tell them what to do.
Wealth inequality is spiraling out of control and wealth redistribution is required for the systems we all depend on for SURVIVAL to function properly again.
The DNC will not save us, the RNC is the RNC. We probably aren't getting out of this by voting anymore.
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I think there's a little bit of confusion and talking past each other. Would really help if people used actual party names so there's less confusion but I understand once you bring names in then people are more likely polarized about the context.
They will never get power because of the first past the post voting system
(meaning there's no hope for a 3rd party, better vote D against R)
I’m not voting for Neoliberals anymore.
(not voting for D)
I think at this point even saying "opposition party" is muddying the waters. Are they opposite on Immigration/border policy? War? Taxation? Voting Rights?
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They make no sense so they’re probably a Russian troll meant to confuse people
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"I don't understand you so you must be a foreigner!"
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When you’re muddying the waters and preaching not voting for either side, you’re indistinguishable from one so it doesn’t really matter to me
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Hope you like Trump then.
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2016 rhetoric
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You are why history repeated itself.
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They are trying to push progressive stances and you are against it. We all saw what happened in 2016
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If I believed being pro Palestine was actually progressive and not just pro Islam I wouldn’t be against it just saying. In 2016 pissed off Bernie bros didn’t vote for Clinton because they were rightly pissed at her and Trump got elected just like all the pro Palestine liberals decided to give the election to Trump because more smart people in power here agree with my take on Palestine than they do with yours because they’ve seen how cruel Islam is.
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Damn you are racist as fuck, what happened to you?
Also using periods would help people read your run on sentence, thats one big insane racist rant.
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Scratch a lib and a fash bleeds.
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this particular stance can be so easily argued as anti American
Yes, opposing the genocide of the world's poorest people is definitely anti-american.
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More like opposing the use of military to respond to direct attacks on it.
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...when said military is in the process of supporting a genocide, yes.
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If I have to choose between being the bully or bullied, and there’s no third option, no way to not be either, I would choose to be the bully.
Regardless of whether or not this analogy is accurate, this how our military and country feels about use of military force and this philosophy is founded considering the aggression we have is a human trait, not just us, and that psycho and sociopaths define history more than the rest.
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Bombing places and doing genocide only creates more enemies and more reasons to hate us. It's so fucking stupid, we literally spent 20 years in Afghanistan learning that lesson (not to mention Vietnam!), but apparently some people still haven't gotten the message. Other countries somehow avoid being bullied despite not being bullies, the US is the biggest bully on the planet and gets blowback as a result.
Our leaders know it'll happen, they count on it, more enemies means more justification to funnel money to the cronies in the military industrial complex. The real suckers are the ones who buy into that bullshit when they're not even profiting, when their tax dollars are going towards lining the pockets of a Raytheon executive.
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I agree for the most part hence the political nature of my comment. I feel right now the US is at an impasse and idk where it’d go. While Trump is president, he doesn’t exactly have the Mandate of Heaven.
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