The Republicans Should've Faced Way More Criticism During The 2024 Presidential Campaign
The Republicans Should've Faced Way More Criticism During The 2024 Presidential Campaign
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Republicans are always evil. They don't do anything good. Ever. They're a known quantity. That's what we expect of them.
We expect the Dems to be better. And they get the smoke when they fail at that. Cutting Corp taxes. Border crackdowns. Genocide. Those are things that should exclusively be the pervue of Republicans. If dems run to the right they will always lose because the right was so triggered by Obama that policy doesn't matter to them whatsoever. It's purely teamsport for them. You can't appeal to them in any way. They see a (D) and vote against that person. Dems would never lose another election if they went only as far left as Bernie Sanders. We would have a perpetually booming economy and a high standard of living. But even that is far too far for the DNC Services Corp. So we get a gameshow host and a car salesman destroying everything.
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Republicans are always evil
"Conservatives", not Republicans. Around 100 years ago the style of both parties in the US was almost exactly reversed.
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We expect the Dems to be better
So the reaction is amplifying the messaging that They Are No Good, while being silent on the rest being worse.... Nice makes sense.
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We do neglect the fact that most people are ignorant about politics. That is a problem we have. We see glaringly obvious things that others seem to miss entirely. Obvious thing is obvious to us.
Right wing policy is shit. That's like observing that water is wet or space is cold to us. It's just obvious. So clearly that's our bad.
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Well yeah, what kind of messages are going to filter into conservative spaces? Just the "libruls bad" stuff, honestly.
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Dems would never lose another election if they went only as far left as Bernie Sanders
lol
About half of America thought Kamala was too far left. The idea that Americans are secretly socialists just waiting for a real leftist candidate and are willing to tolerate progressively more fascistic politicians in the mean time is simply ridiculous and without any basis in reality.
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Not at all. She went too far right and a lot of people stayed home. Cuz one republican is as good as another. They both fuckin suck at literally everything. Except fucking up the economy. Republicans are great at that.
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Campaigning with the daughter of a minor demon didn't help either
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Major demon*
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Compared to the Demons we’ve got now? Pretty fucking minor IMHO.
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Nah, I'm not accepting that kind of Dick Cheney rehabilitation. That man is one of the most evil men to ever hold power in the US.
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She promised to institute a tax on unrealized gains.
What constitutes "far right?"
Trump has concentration camps. Biden didn't. One assumes Kamala wouldn't. If you don't see a difference, it speaks to how privileged you are.
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Biden built the camps Trump is using. Check yourself.
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Trump has concentration camps. Biden didn't
Uh... The ICE haven't been created out of thin air in January... You just ignored them before because it was a democrat in the adminstration.
What constitutes "far right?"
Funding genocide in Palestine, running the ICE and deporting more immigrants than trump did in 2016 (look it up), maintaining the military industrial complex, increasing rates of homelessness and prices of healthcare and rent and tuition...
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Under Biden ICE wasn't sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.
So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal "Nazi?"
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Under Biden ICE wasn't sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.
No, only Guantanamo operated that way. ICE was still a concentration camp though. Really grasping at straws aren't we?
So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal "Nazi?"
Maintaining Nazi policy of genocide in Gaza (failed to mention that one I see), and of economic and police violence (1 in 4 black males above 30 years old have been through the prison system in the US) is Nazi, yes.
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Have you ever considered the total failure of any politicians you support might have to do with your hyperbole?
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Just accept you don't care about genocide as long as it's a democrat enacting it, we'll be over quicker
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What is your definition of "concentration camps"?
Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the "build back better" set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I'm assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration's crackdown from well over a year ago.
If you're just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.
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If you can appeal getting sent to it, it isn't a concentration camp.
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By that definition the Nazi death camps weren't concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done "concentration camps".
A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn't what you meant, can you expand on that definition?
Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.
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Trump is presently arguing that the courts cannot bring people back from El Salvador. Er go there is no appeal.
And I would like to see some evidence of courts getting people out of Nazi death camps.
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Is the argument "getting sent to" or "getting returned from", 2nd argument is stronger but still a bad definition for the same reasons. The legal argument is that you can't de-deport someone and it's the responsibility of the other party to deport them back to the USA if they have been mistakenly deported. That being said maybe said laws and deportations in general are a fucked up concept to begin with?
It was an incredibly corrupt process (like most appeals processes are) but most famously it was the legal mechanism by which Oskar Schindler was able to protect his workers and expand his workforce.
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I don't think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
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I don't think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
Agreed!
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
That's kind of like saying "There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing." It's not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as "mischlinge" and allowed out of the ghetto.
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And do you have any actual reason I should believe that?
"Well, lots of people would have voted for her if she put on a keffiyeh and sang l'Internationale."
Why should I believe that? There is just no basis to believe there is some secret American socialist majority.
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Wouldn't call it a majority. But it's a bloc that dems cannot win without. That bloc has also been lied to for literally our entire lives. Grown jaded. And won't vote for empty promises anymore.
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Evidently we can't win with you because sway like reeds in the wind.
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So they dodge the support of Progressives and lose because of it? Sounds like they need to support progressive policies. Like Obama did.
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Name five policies Obama supported Biden did not.
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Why 5? But sure I'll play your game.
- Support for universal health care or medicare for all. Biden said he'd veto medicare for all if it came to his desk. Obama wanted it.
- Two state solution, keeping Netenyahu on a leash, and sucking off AIPAC. Pretty different performances. Netenyahu and Obama hated each other, while Biden did whatever Netenyahu wanted, when he wanted, to whatever degree he wanted.
- While we're at it, Biden acted in support of war crimes and violated the geneva conventions and Obama didnt. Seems like a solid policy difference.
- Afghanistan. Obama trusted what his generals said about pulling out being bad for the region. Biden just wanted out.
- Corporations and the rich as the dems almost sole focus under Biden while Obama ran on yes we can and hope for the people, and bread and butter issues. Biden didnt give a crap about the people. Obama centered his platform around youth. Biden targetted the elderly and the rich and lost the youth.
- Biden called the far right racists his best friends and insisted on bipartisanship for bipartisanships sake, and Obama did not.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626 - in the budget cliff showdowns Obama was all in favor of going over the fiscal cliff and letting the tax cuts for the rich expire, and Biden was not and went behind Obama back.
- Obama pushed immigration policies which favored paths to citizenship for immigrants, where Biden locked the border down trump style.
- Obama beleived in civil rights and was hailed as the best civil rights president since LBJ. Biden was a fascism fetishist who increased cop funding after defund+reallocate came to Washington, and who authored civil asset forfeiture laws which are blatantly unconstitutional.
- Obama cut military spending and got pilloried for it. Biden increased it.
I wanted so much more from Obama and he turned out to be more conseravtive than I would have hoped, but Obama looks like Ghandi compared to Biden. And Biden looks more like Strom Thurmond and Donald Trumps love child.
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1, Biden did not say that. He said he would veto anything that undermined the security of extent Medicare provisions.
- Can you give me any examples of Obama "keeping Netanyahu on a leash?" It's rather difficult to compare the situation under Obama to under Biden, during which Israel saw the largest slaughter of it's civilians at the hands of Hamas. While Biden could and should have been more proactive in opposing Netanyahu, acting as though he could just say, "Stop" is ridiculous, especially when you can't point to how Obama actually did it.
- Again, how, specifically?
- Biden got the Afghanistan pull out dropped on him by Trump.
- lol Biden invested trillions in helping hurt by COVID financially. All this proves is you have never actually read a bill he signed.
- I defy you to find me one sitting member of Congress who supports school busing.
- And yet Obama still signed a compromise fiscal bill.
- Locking down the border and providing a legal pathway to citizenship are not mutually exclusive. Again showing how little actual research you've done into Biden's policies.
- He increased police funding because that is what most people want. Treating it as being mutually exclusive with civil rights is ridiculous, especially when you can't point to anything Obama did to cut police funding.
- Biden was President during challenges to NATO not seen since the end of the Cold War. Frankly, Obama's cuts reflect how unprepared he was to deal with Putin's moves in eastern Europe which were telegraphed even at that stage.
So, the only actual difference you can point to is military spending, which fails to account for the change in geopolitics. Busing doesn't count because it stopped being an issue before Obama was old enough to run for Congress.
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Historically a lot of R voters would've considered voting D if they'd just stop trying to disarm the working class, but D leadership more and more seems to be the party of, "we know what's best for you" elitism. But the open border policies really hurt D's popularity. R voters don't consider themselves racist or anti-inmigration, they just want affordable housing and instead of blaming late stage capitalism, they blame policies that lured over ten million refugees in one presidential term.
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Democrats do not and never have had open border policies.
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They should work on their public image on that then. Biden kept saying he was working on it but it was complicated and he needed Congress to act. More than ten million entered during his term. Trump cut the rate more than 90% very quickly without action from Congress, mostly by being a hostile asshole and directing agencies to act in kind. Biden's policies towards them were a welcome mat. Trump has gone too far the other way, but no one can deny Biden's border policy affected the election.
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I would like to see some sources for that number.
I'm not denying that the perception of the border changed things. But it's not Biden's fault people don't seem to get news about it from anywhere but Fox.
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I've seen numbers reported between 8 million and 12 million, with variation leaning high or low by R or D bias, but even 8 million is not far from what I said. Here's a government source, although this was written before the end of his term:
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"Encountered."
A word that is nowhere in the article or any of those it links to defined.
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The lowest estimate I could find was 7.8 million. If you want to go with that, fine. Or show me I'm wrong. Do you really think it wasn't happening?
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