Why indeed
Why indeed
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No, because you haven't. You've brought up examples that all bring their own overhead, complications, and testing issues.
Once again, at a fundamental level, if I develop an Electron app on Linux or Windows, I can generate an installer and am basically guaranteed that it will work on MacOS because the Electron rendering stack works on MacOS and I am shipping my full rendering stack alongside my app.
A WebView solution that uses the system's WebView cannot possibly provide that.
A specifically versioned runtime like Java can potentially provide that, though if you were to expand Java to support the out of the box high level rendering of html / CSS then you're basically turning the JRE into the size of a full browser engine anyways, especially if you were to expand it to support a pleasant and flexible language like JavaScript.
And again, you're refusing to acknowledge that VSCode is built in Electron, and is not a resource hog, despite being possibly the most powerful Electron program most people will run, once again, showing that Electron is not that much of a resource hog, badly coded web apps are.
I fully acknowledge that Election apps use more storage and slightly more ram than equivalents written in Native Languages, but if you're experiencing actual slow downs due to them, then it's probably because they're badly written.
And I reject the idea that the opportunity cost of slowing down software development is worth it. App distribution used to be over optimized for efficiency rather than resiliency.
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No, because you haven’t. You’ve brought up examples that all bring their own overhead, complications, and testing issues.
Every approach has its trade offs. I've explained to you repeatedly and in detail how what Electron does can be improved. It's clear at this point that I'm not going to get through here.
Once again, at a fundamental level, if I develop an Electron app on Linux or Windows, I can generate an installer and am basically guaranteed that it will work on MacOS because the Electron rendering stack works on MacOS and I am shipping my full rendering stack alongside my app.
You absolutely do have to test Electron apps on each platform. However, the point once again, is that as long as you package the rendering engine with the app it's going to have the same benefits.
A specifically versioned runtime like Java can potentially provide that, though if you were to expand Java to support the out of the box high level rendering of html / CSS then you’re basically turning the JRE into the size of a full browser engine anyways, especially if you were to expand it to support a pleasant and flexible language like JavaScript.
You don't have to extend the JVM for anything and there are plenty of very nice toolkits available such as https://github.com/HumbleUI/Skija/
The JVM supports far better languages than Js as well. I work with Clojure and it's straight up better experience in every single way. Not to mention that your development process is fully interactive where you connect the editor to a running instance of the application and you can evaluate any code you want as you write it within the context of the app you're building. The tooling around Js is incredibly primitive in comparison.
However, there are lean alternatives to Electron available for JS as well. Scriter-js is one example which provides a far leaner runtime.
And again, you’re refusing to acknowledge that VSCode is built in Electron, and is not a resource hog, despite being possibly the most powerful Electron program most people will run, once again, showing that Electron is not that much of a resource hog, badly coded web apps are.
It absolutely is a resource hog compared to something like Emacs, and it's not even comparable.
I fully acknowledge that Election apps use more storage and slightly more ram than equivalents written in Native Languages, but if you’re experiencing actual slow downs due to them, then it’s probably because they’re badly written.
LMFAO understatement of the century there.
And I reject the idea that the opportunity cost of slowing down software development is worth it. App distribution used to be over optimized for efficiency rather than resiliency.
That's just an inane straw man you're using. What I'm actually saying is that you CAN have the benefits of Electron and an efficient runtime. These things are in no way at odds with each other. The fact that you can't understand that is incredible.
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Ok, I see what you're saying ,but from what I can see, if you were to scale a sciter app to the level of VSCode, it is not going to use any less resources.
Yes sciter is smaller for a simple calc app, but once you have multiple ui panes running in different threads, plus a backend server, it looks like it would scale it exactly the same resource usage as Electron.
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It would would use less resources because it's a more optimized runtime. In fact, the more UI panels and other elements you have in the app, the more savings you'd be making proportionally. Even when faced with a concrete example of being wrong, you're still digging. 🤦
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I DECLARE A MORE OPTIMIZED RUN TIiIIIIME
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No, you just can't recognize when you're wrong and someone is kindly trying to meet you half way anyways.
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The fact that you're faced with an example of a much more optimized runtime and still can't understand that you're wrong is frankly hilarious. Maybe once you get a bit of programming experience under your belt you'll be able to hold a meaningful discussion on the subject.
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