The Democratic Opposition Should Look More Like Rep. Al Green
The Democratic Opposition Should Look More Like Rep. Al Green
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The Democratic Opposition Should Look More Like Rep. Al Green
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I was dissappinted to see most of the Dems sitting in silence, with tiny protestation signs as if they were at an auction.
C'mon, make some noise, get in trouble, but do something!
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Things our Representatives can do to fight back, delay and obstruct Trump's fascist agenda:
For Senate Democrats:
For House Democrats
https://indivisible.org/resource/explainer-how-house-democrats-can-delay-and-defy-trump-musk-coup
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Their biggest problem is they are not willing to meet them at their level. You gotta go low like them . Its the only thing they understand. Go fight them in the mud!
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Get in trouble for what?
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Imagine if they all walked out and the GOP majority just started passing votes with nobody to vote against it. Right now, if every Dem is present and voting, the GOP can only miss 1 vote.
I think listening to your opponents speeches can sometimes be helpful in resisting their actions. After all, he's been telling us what his plans are since before the election and most people didn't believe him.
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Why did you change the topic, my friend? We're talking about walking out of Mr. Orange's speech, my friend.
Everyone agrees that the Democrats should be there for every vote. That's not a point of contention.
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Mr. Orange's speech was in the congressional building during an active session. Al got removed during the speech for getting into a yelling match. That singular action put the DNC at 1 less vote in the house.
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True, but Green can still vote. But this whole yelling thing isn’t gonna change anything.
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They aren't running votes at the SotU and they can watch his speech in their office perfectly fine, they don't need to participate in the performance to know what he's up to.
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Alright but as I mentioned in my first sentence: they need to be there during a vote.
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Sure, but that's not relevant at all to this post topic which is about a specific current event and not in any way suggesting storming out of votes.
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This specific current event happened in the chamber of congress while congress was in session. They could hold a vote at any moment.
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Not during a joint session. The house and senate were not themselves in session.
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On the day of the joint session, 03/04, there were no less than 80 actions taken in congress and no less than 3 votes which passed in the House of Representatives LINK HERE. If you have evidence of a specific law preventing votes during a joint session, and specifying how long a joint session lasts at minimum, please present it.
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On live TV, with Trump standing up there, you think the Speaker of the House is just going to call a snap vote in a chamber they already control and resolve it before the missing members could get back to the chamber? And that such an act would just be accepted as a clever procedural move to avoid the handful of objections in their majority caucus rather than a significant step toward the end of democracy?
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If enough people left the room I expect it, yes. It's certainly what I would do in their position (thank god I'm not them).
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Lawmaker protests accomplish literally nothing except making people like you feel good. Legislatively and legally, Democrats are powerless, because YOU fuckers refused to vote for them. You say "do something" but this does NOTHING.
YOU should have done something at the fucking ballot box if you don't like what's happening.
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You know you're wrong. You know, as we all do, that even minority politicians have power to do a great many things.
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No, they have the power to STOP a SMALL number of things, specifically bills in the legislature. Most of what Trump is doing is completely bypassing Congress.
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Dems can only stop non budgetary bills by invoking the filibuster. Any reconciliation bill is going through regardless of what Dems want.
Trump has only done a bunch of illegal EOs. Which are being taken up in the courts, but he dosen’t care and is doing them anyways.
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The "powerless" opposition party in Serbia btw:
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What did this accomplish?
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Visible support from government/establishment officials of the Serbian student anti-corruption protests. The students that the sitting Serbian government is trying to freeze and starve into submission.
Again, contrast that to what the US did to their students during the pro-Palestine university encampments.
We Americans need to open our fucking eyes, clapback tweets and watching leopards eating faces is just the new bread and circus. Holding up "fact checking signs" during a Trump speech will not save us.
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So it accomplished nothing. Whatever they were voting on will continue without them.
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... I don't think you understand what's going on in Serbia if you think there's voting happening. Have a good day.
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We're discussing a different country currently, sorry
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Apparently Americans can't learn from other countries. American Exceptionalism truly is the best.
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Murica bad
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Yes. Yes it is.
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Piss off tankie, everyone knows your bullshit
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You’re on lemmy bro, people just want performative shit to make themselves feel good. Congress do not hold executive power, they’re literally just a vote.
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What's up with people forgetting how Republicans in Congress always manage to fuck Shit up immediately as soon as the Dems are the ones who need to do it?
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Because the Dems agenda requires 60 votes due to filibusters. Mainly because Dems want to spend money on social services. Where as the GOP’s agenda just involves a bunch of cuts. That can all be done through reconciliation.
And the GOP has either had a majority in the senate or a tie for the last 10 years.
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