Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem
Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem

Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem

Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem
Lemmy Needs to Fix Its Community Separation Problem
I quite agree with the issue described and I 100% agree it's a critical one but, because none of the proposed solution seem to be ideal, I'm also wondering if this doesn't end up saying the right model, right in the sense that it will work with/feel much more simpler to most users, is a centralized system and not a federated one?
is a centralized system
So... Reddit? With the cancelled third-party apps, the visible ads, the ads hiding as posts, the powertripping mods (but unpaid as well), the algorithm trying to get the most "engagement" by showing hateful content?
So… Reddit?
I don't know, I just shared agut feeling while reading the OP. And I'm not saying it's what we should thrive for, just sharing that gut feeling about what, like I said, I consider a critical issue on Lemmy.
With the cancelled third-party apps, the visible ads, the ads hiding as posts, the powertripping mods (but unpaid as well), the algorithm trying to get the most “engagement” by showing hateful content?
That's a whole other discussion imho. But if you want to discuss about that:
Hence me agreeing with the OP: Lemmy being as fragmented as it is is a critical issue.
Hence, the second part of my comment: it feels to me that the only easy/obvious solution is to rely on a centralized system. I'm not saying it's what should be done (I would not be part of the fediverse if I had no desire to see an alternative to that centralization). I may be wrong in that, most probably I'm (I have no technical expertise) but it still is what I felt while reading the post. Nothing more.
And for the rest, let the downvoters enjoy their very own moment of power ;)
. I left because I hated how Reddit, the corporation, took hold of our content and started restricting access to our content in order to negotiate deals with partners.
But how do you prevent this from happening if the content is centralized?
Let's imagine there's only one lemmy.net
Once we reach a big enough population (not a given, Discuit is still doing 210 weekly active users) , a company comes in, makes the owners an offer they can't refuse, and they do what you criticize in your previous comment
But how do you prevent this from happening if the content is centralized?
I have no idea and like (I think) I said, I'm not even sure that's an option we should consider. It's just it feels likes there is this path circling back to centralization and that makes me wonder.
Once we reach a big enough population (not a given, Discuit is still doing 210 weekly active users) , a company comes in, makes the owners an offer they can’t refuse, and they do what you criticize in your previous comment
That's why I (want to) believe in the fediverse. If something like that were to happen and that's also why I'm not sure centralization is a solution.
it feels to me that the only easy/obvious solution is to rely on a centralized system
What are your thoughts on Proposal 3?
See my answer to your other comment below ;)
the right model, right in the sense that it will work with/feel much more simpler to most users, is a centralized system and not a federated one?
How is Proposal 3 not a federated model? Communities would choose to mutually share posts with each other.
Well, merging communities means trying to reduce the number of alternative communities on the same topic, or did I miss something?
But, like I said, I'm not saying it is not doable. I'm only sharing how I felt reading the OP post.
Well, merging communities means trying to reduce the number of alternative communities on the same topic, or did I miss something?
No, that's Proposal 1. Proposal 3 means retaining a number of alternative communities on the same topic while syncing posts and comments between them.
Oh, I did not get that. That's an interesting idea. Would still need to solve the 'where' do I post (which for many seems to also mean 'to what Instance do I belong'), and then how do one moderate content from various communities, from posters that may or may not adhere to one's own rules. It won't be obvious but I would be more than willing to see something like being experimented, even if it's to decide it's too complex, it seems worth at least an attempt, imho.
Would still need to solve the ‘where’ do I post
Proposal 3 makes that a non-issue. If pancakes@a.com
and pancakes@b.com
follow each other, a user can post to either community and their post will show up on both communities, with a shared comments section.
I don't foresee significant moderation challenges, but if any unresolvable issues did come up, communities could simply unfollow each other and go back to being separate communities.