Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Ukraine Nato membership - BBC News
In response to a question, the Ukrainian president said he would give up his position for peace.
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Completely meaningless given that NATO requires unanimous agreement by all the existing members. Everybody knows that this will never happen, so basically what he's saying is that he'll cling on to power.
so basically what he’s saying is that he’ll cling on to power.
I find this to be a disingenuous framing. He clearly made that comment in service to the greater good of Ukraine, and I don't know how being the leader of a nation facing imperial domination and constant war and death is something anyone would want to 'cling' to other than out of a sense of duty to the people he is representing.
If he gave a shit about the Ukraine he would've signed the Istanbul agreements two weeks into the war. This scumbag is responsible for destroying the country at the behest of the west. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been under imperial domination since 2014 when the legitimate government was overthrown there. Zelensky also isn't representing anybody because he cancelled elections. The fact that there are still people who try to frame him as some here is absolutely surreal.
he canceled elections.
Elections are not allowed to take place by law, during "martial law". A state Ukraine has been in since the Russians invaded their country.
But don't let that fact get in the way of your propaganda. By all means.
Show me the part of the Ukrainian constitution that says presidential elections are not allowed to take place during martial law https://rm.coe.int/constitution-of-ukraine/168071f58b
The part called Article 83.
no part of Article 83 says anything about presidential elections. At least try lying about something that's not so obvious
Article 83
Regular sessions of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine commence on the first Tuesday of February and on the first Tuesday of September each year. Special sessions of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, with the stipulation of their agenda, are convoked by the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, on the demand of no fewer National Deputies of Ukraine than one-third of the constitutional composi tion of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, or on the demand of the President of Ukraine. In the event of the introduction of martial law or of a state of emergency in Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine assembles within a period of two days without convocation. In the event that the term of authority of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine expires while martial law or a state of emergency is in effect, its authority is extended until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , elected after the cancellation of martial law or of the state of emergency.
Would you mind reading that last sentence for the class out loud? Here. I'll even highlight it for you.
In the event that the term of authority of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine expires while martial law or a state of emergency is in effect, its authority is extended until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , elected after the cancellation of martial law or of the state of emergency.
That refers to the Verkhovna Rada which is the parliament, it says absolutely nothing about presidential election. Thanks for confirming that you are indeed an ignoramus who doesn't have the first clue about the subject you're attempting to debate here.
The only one who is clueless here is you. It extends to the presidency.
But since you need to be educated on the matter. Here are their laws on the matter of Martial Law.
But don't worry. You don't need to read it all, I highlighted Article 19 and 10. And just for you. I also translated it. On the slight chance you don't know any ukranian.
https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/389-19
Стаття 19. Гарантії законності в умовах воєнного стану
- В умовах воєнного стану забороняються: зміна Конституції України; зміна Конституції Автономної Республіки Крим; проведення виборів Президента України, а також виборів до Верховної Ради України, Верховної Ради Автономної Республіки Крим і органів місцевого самоврядування;
проведення всеукраїнських та місцевих референдумів;
проведення страйків, масових зібрань та акцій.
Стаття 10. Неприпустимість припинення повноважень органів державної влади, інших державних органів в умовах воєнного стану
- У період дії воєнного стану не можуть бути припинені повноваження Президента України, Верховної Ради України, Кабінету Міністрів України, Національного банку України, Уповноваженого Верховної Ради України з прав людини, Рахункової палати, судів, органів прокуратури, органів, що здійснюють оперативно-розшукову діяльність, досудове розслідування, розвідувальних органів та органів, підрозділи яких здійснюють контррозвідувальну діяльність.
And here it is in english.
Article 19. Guarantees of legality in martial law
holding elections of the President of Ukraine, as well as elections to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and local self-government bodies;
holding all-Ukrainian and local referendums;
holding strikes, mass gatherings and rallies.
Article 10. Inadmissibility of termination of powers of state authorities and other state bodies during martial law
- During the period of martial law, the powers of the President of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the National Bank of Ukraine, the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Accounting Chamber, courts, prosecutor's offices, bodies carrying out operational and investigative activities, pre-trial investigation, intelligence bodies and bodies whose units carry out counterintelligence activities may not be terminated.
So... what was that about me lying? Something about me not understanding what I'm talking about? That's ok. You can apologize now and you might just look a little less stupid.
Thanks for daily dose of Russian misinformation propaganda.
Thanks for the daily dose of western liberal brain rot.
I'm co-opertive anarchist, not Liberal
a one that's been infected liberal brain rot, as most anarchists are
The more important part of his statement is "for peace".
He had plenty of opportunities to achieve piece starting with implementing Minsk agreements before the war started, signing the agreement in Istanbul two weeks into the war, and numerous other opportunities after. Each time he rejected peace and continued facilitating the destruction of Ukraine.
just pointing out that NATO is not going to happen. Stepping down offer is mainly for peace by someone else.
But if NATO is never going to happen, then what he's really saying is that he's not stepping down. What he says is like me saying I'm going to quit my job tomorrow if I win the lottery, and that's a more probable scenario.
I did not see quote live. I did see original reports as just peace, and then western reports as peace OR NATO. Now you/BBC, is just NATO headline.
I took it as simply admitting that he has lost the confidence of US and Russia.
If this really will never happen, Putin should promise the same, and see what happens. :)
That ship has sailed: Putin tried to get Russia into NATO decades ago.