Trump Asks Congress To Approve $1 Billion Arms Transfer to Israel

No one forced the democrats to do this:

No one stopped them either. Dems and Repub leaders both want this
Just wait until you heat what Trump just said. That graph but for trumps real estate empire in "Israel "
- As ever, BlueMAGA liberals care more about what crimes Trump hasn't committed than the ones Democrats have.
  
  Don't even get a day in what happened as I'm not American. The whole US electoral system is broken and needs rebuilding
  
  That makes you being a BlueMAGA liberal more embarrassing, not less.
  
  I'll admit, you neoliberals have definitely done a better job changing the world than us. You've changed it to be much worse, of course, but you have changed it.
  
  🤡

lol thats still less than what the democrats were giving to them. but a completely different reaction now that blue maga isnt the ones doing it.

you should stop having US political parties as your identity because they are all fascists.

The only difference between Harris and Trump is that the latter can't keep his gaping orange maw shut. Well maybe she would have put in a few more military bases instead of casinos.

Tell that to trans kids, women who need abortions, minorities being fired as "DEI hires", and immigrants in concentration camps.
- Stop using us (trans people) as a scapegoat for your bad politics. I'd appreciate that greatly.
  
  Right, you're the voice for all trans people.
  Good one.

I think they pretty clearly wanted the Democratic party to stop arming Israel, which did not happen, and probably wouldn't have happened if they were elected, either, given they made no promises on it and gave no real indications of course correction.

This is like if the guy on watch duty on the Titanic spent a year screaming about how they're heading directly for an iceberg, the captain did nothing, and then got mad at the guy on watch when the iceberg sank the ship.

It's almost like nothing would change no matter who won and Israel was just a political pawn to help Trump win.
- Wow, I can’t believe people weren’t more motivated to vote for “nothing will change no matter who wins.” Truly nobody could have foreseen and warned of this.
  
  It's almost like there is more than one factor to consider when picking a president!
  
  except your initial post was blaming people who didn't vote for harris for what's happening in gaza. stop moving the goalpost.
  
  You might be surprised that some people are able to care about more than one issue at a time!
  
  And you're not one of them
  
  you're stupid even by lemmy.world standards
  it's like you've totally forgotten what you originally posted here

There was no distinction between the candidates on this issue. Biden just sent $8 billion in arms less than a month ago. There were plenty differences between candidates, but this is not one.

Agreed. It was always just a way to manipulate democratic voters.
- It was a hill Biden & the democrats didn't need to die on. The last year in Gaza was inexcusable and gaslighting potential voters was embarrassing. Shame on the democrats for making genocide a wedge issue
  
  Shame on anyone that thinks it matters compared to handing a fascist the reigns of power.
  
  BlueMAGA once again demonstrating that they don't think foreigners are human.
  
  I'm sure the foreigners Trump puts into the concentration camps he is building will thank you for thinking of them.
  
  As ever, the future crimes you're imagining Trump committing matter more to you than the crimes democracts already committed.
  Spare me, you've already said that genocide doesn't matter compared to what colour of fascist is running the USA, don't pretend you care about foreigners being put in camps beyond being a vector to crow about orange man bad.
  
  I'm not imagining anything. I am basing my decisions on what Trump has said!
  It isn't that the genocide doesn't matter to me. It is just out of the two possibilities in the election, neither would offer me the outcome I want (ending the war). So I based my decision on other issues, like LGBT rights, immigrant rights, abortion access, not wrecking the economy with tariff stupidity, etc
  
  I’m not imagining anything. I am basing my decisions on what Trump has said!
  As ever, BlueMAGA shitlibs care more about what politicians say than what they do. The lives of foreigners aren't nearly as important to them as decorum and plausible deniability, after all!
  It isn’t that the genocide doesn’t matter to me.
  Actually it is, as evidenced by the fact that you only care when Trump does it. (Or says it, we've already established you care more about rhetoric than actions.).
  ending the war
  You mean the genocide.
  So I based my decision on other issues, like LGBT rights, immigrant rights, abortion access, not wrecking the economy with tariff stupidity, etc
  Turns out, that imperial boomerang always comes home.
  
  Look I voted dem, my state is still blue & I can for once in my life say I’m proud of my governor. Biden was complicit in genocide and it was one of many major factors that cost the election. Remember Biden could have simply enforced the Leahy Act and stop providing mutinous at any point. Everyone could see the war crimes and bs like temp piers. He could have kept his promise and only run one term, allow for an engaging democratic primary and a graceful exit. BUT here we are
  
  I'm certainly not happy with what Biden did, but it was far from unpredictable. He just carried on the policy of intense support both parties have followed since Israel was founded. Let's be honest though. If Biden and Harris enforced the Leahy Act, all you would have heard from the right is that Democrats are antisemites who protect Hamas terrorists.
  
  If Biden and Harris enforced the Leahy Act, all you would have heard from the right is that Democrats are antisemites who protect Hamas terrorists.
  We don’t give a flying fuck what “the right” would say; we give a fuck about stopping genocide.
  
  No, previous administrations were willing to reign Israel in - even Trump has proven willing to - Biden was uniqigue in his complete, no limits, full support of Israel's most horrific crimes since it's creation.
  If Biden and Harris enforced the Leahy Act, all you would have heard from the right is that Democrats are antisemites who protect Hamas terrorists.
  "We had to violate the law, otherwise the right would call us names!" (spoilers, they called you those names anyway.)
- Manipulate? Trump is so 40000 IQ that he forced Biden to look like a fucking puppet on the world stage, giving in to every single one of netanyahu's demands.
  Trump WAS the harm reduction candidate, he got a ceasefire brokered before he was fucking president. All while Biden was licking israel's asshole begging for scraps.

she did nothing but indicate her intentions to do the exact same thing, just as biden before her

- The war in Gaza is happening regardless of who is president
  how is it therefore the fault of people who didn't vote then?
  
  This is just genocide apologia at this point. Biden and Harris were not trying to end the war, stop defending war criminals.
  Crazy how you only care about Palestinians being rounded up and removed from Gaza now that Trump is threatening to do it, rather than when Biden and Harris were actually doing it.
  
  yeah, they were gonna end the war by ethnically cleansing palestinians with bombs instead. huge improvement! boy do i feel stupid for not supporting the democrats now.

Just curious, if Kamala did the same arms transfer shortly after getting elected; how would you respond or what would you do?

Would you assure others that she is working tirelessly on a ceasefire despite her vow to always give them the ability to defend themselves?

As I have said before Israel was irrelevant to the election as neither candidate was going to act differently. It was only used as a weapon by conservatives to strip votes from Harris.
- If genocide isn't negotiable for your party, maybe you should find a new one.
  
  I hate it, but it's a two party system. You have to pick one.
  
  In that case, if genocide is a non-negotiable certainty of American policy, then the lesser evil choice is whichever party will collapse the USA fastest.
  
  Nice of you to be so willing to sacrifice all the lives that such a collapse would cost
  
  Damn, you sure abandoned lesser-evilism quickly when you could be on the receiving end.
  
  Accelerationism is NOT the lesser evil. It's lunacy.
  
  Aww, poor baby. You were willing to write off millions of Palestinians as necessary collateral for the maintenance of your genocidal empire, but you cry like a little baby at just the suggestion that the shoe should be on the other foot. You're ridiculous: "Oh you can't call for the collapse of Nazi Germnany! That's AcCeLeRaTiONisM!" -ChonkyOwlbear in 1942.
- You mean it was a lay up for Harris she refused to capitalize on because she personally received too much money in bribes.
  
  Or maybe she didn't have a simple black and white opinion on a very nuanced situation and recognized that pulling support for Israel would only lose the UD it's seat at the negotiating table.
  
  Given multiple experts have stated Israel cannot continue it's genocide without us support, this is incorrect. The US holds all of the cards.
  
  Citation needed.
- The people who told Democrats for months to change position were Democrats and people who worked in the democratic party, some of whom did so for decades.
  https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5086924/the-dnc-didnt-let-a-palestinian-american-speak-the-uncommitted-movement-took-note
  June Rose, the sole “uncommitted” delegate from Rhode Island, also said it was incorrect to assume the delegation members come from the fringes of the Democratic Party.
  “We are Democratic professionals. I’m the chief of staff of the Providence City Council. I’ve made my career helping to elect Democrats and defeat Republicans who pose incredible risk to the future of our country,” the 29-year-old told Al Jazeera.
  “But my relationship with the party will never supersede my relationship with my values, and in this case, my values and my party are in direct conflict.”
  Rose named Eileen Abu Odeh, a toddler killed with her family in an Israeli air raid in Gaza, during the roll call. They explained the delegation’s presence at the Democratic National Convention can serve as a gut check for the party, as it prepares to chart a course forward on foreign policy.
  “Our party cannot just make this week a celebration, and I think that that’s the tone that many in our party want to take,” Rose said. “But that celebration would be on the graves of innocent children who’ve been slaughtered.”
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/17/uncommitted-delegates-bring-gaza-war-message-to-democratic-convention
  
  Well now you can tell Republicans to change their position. I'm sure they will listen rather than shoot you with rubber bullets.
What if?
https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-netanyahu-dad5fd3715f35e8311bd4039aeff8173
We only know that Bibi wanted trump to win.
- I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, what are they doing besides shaming others? What's done is done - we are here now.
  If they had constructive or productive intentions it could apply to the current moment even with Trump in office.

If enough people voted, the Democrats would have given people free health care, stopped financing wars, torture and genocide, improve public transit, boost public education, and lowered the cost of groceries. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, they could be in power and bring change. They just need a super majority to install a welfare state and turn into pacifists. Of course!

I get your sarcasm, but let’s be clear - Dems have had a supermajority 3 times in the past 25 years, and we got none of this shit. They’re full of crap when it comes to fulfilling campaign promises. Wish we could say the same for republicans.
- But is that worse than what has happened and is going to happen now that its been given to the right?
  
  Yeah, I think it might be. We already knew full well what republicans were planning. It’s been obvious for decades now, and they often told us literally (heritage foundation, proj 25, etc.)
  Dems could have stopped this in a variety of ways, but chose not to because they are too addicted to the corruption and bribes. We got “Other priorities”, “look forwards not backwards”, etc. when we needed things like paid family leave, prosecuting war criminals and traitors, codifying roe, and significant campaign finance reform.
  I’d say this is worse, because Dems are so disingenuous about it. They got elected into a supermajority multiple times with a mandate to give us meaningful support and then once they got into office consistently did nothing. At least the republicans are honest about their bigotry and hate-filled platform, and pursue it vigorously when elected. Again, I wish the Dems did the same.
  
  Thats just wild logic there. Im not saying you’re right or wrong but I personally struggle to see how that would make sense. To me its like taking the on fire bus we are all on and deciding to let the crazy guy swerve us all off the cliff rather than at least keep going so some people can jump off, or work out a better solution. Instead people are much more certainly going to die and be hurt
  
  I see what you’re saying, and sadly your analogy does fit the current situation. To add to it, the Dems were in the driver’s seat a few miles back - they saw a shallow, placid lake just off the side of the road that they could have rolled the bus into to safely extinguish the flames. Unfortunately, the senate parliamentarian placed a sticky note on the dash that said you can’t drive the bus into large bodies of water. So the poor Dems had no choice but to floor the accelerator and speed right past the bus people’s salvation. Besides, they promised nothing fundamental about the bus’ trajectory would change under their stewardship, and by golly that’s the one promise they intend to keep!
The Democrats had a filibuster proof trifecta for 73 days in 2009 and they passed Obamacare. Republicans spent the next decade trying to destroy it. I'm not saying Dems would do all of what you said, but when they are given the chance they move things in the right direction.

Fuck off you disgusting piece of shit. Imagine being such a dumb fucking cunt you attempt to scold random voters for the Democrats decision to support genocide and claim it's their fault somehow.

Hey, dipshit, who kept signing off on arms shipments the past fucking year? Hey dipshit, who declared a redline in Rafah only for nothing to happen? Who gave a deadline of 30 days for aid to increase, nothing improved, then they just meekly announced they weren't doing shit as punishment?

Personal attacks aside, yes it is the fault of voters for Trump getting into office. That's how elections work.
Democrats wouldn't stop the war. Republicans wouldn't stop the war. It was irrelevant to the choice of who to elect.
- How elections work is that political parties work to earn votes of the base they want to represent.
  It's wild how moronic dipshits like you who talk down to others about "hOw ElEctIOnS WoRk" never hold political parties responsible for the choices they made about how they campaign and why, and the policies they follow, and instead blame random nobodies asked to tick a box every 4 fucking years.
  Hey, dipshit, who forced Democrats to literally commit themselves to genocide? This isn't a minor quibble over tax policy, like 5 vs 10% tax rate, this lis* literal genocide*, mass murder of an ethnic people directly supported by Biden and the Democrats. They were told for a year by their own base this was not going to win them votes, and they ignored it. Your response is to literally claim we just needed to factor in literal fucking genocide as a given. You are a monstrously disgusting piece of shit. The perfect embodiment of the racist liberal. Brown people do not matter to you for anything except as a performative cudgel to vote shame people over the Democratic parties policy and campaign choices, something no one else made them do. Rather than hold them responsible, your dumb fucking ass is still online doing the same tired bullshit of insisting it's everyone elses fault except the people who have actual fucking power and actual decision making capacity to change shit.
  Here's how democracy works dumbass. A political party puts forward a set of policies about issues x, y and z. Voters express their preferences and concerns about them and other issues. A party then has 2 options: change policy and campaigning in response to those concerns, or articulate why their policies would be better.
  So you tell me, Mr Elections Understander, what happens when voters express for over a year they don't like a central policy that has dominated the news, but the party tells them to fuck off repeatedly? Is that a good strategy for an election to win votes, to tell people concerned about literal genocide to shut up because "I'm speaking"? Is it a good strategy to tell voters they need to just accept genocide will happen, that they need to factor it in like it's 2% fucking inflation?
  But sure, you hitch your wagon to the Democrats didn't have to do anything differently. It's everyone elses fault they committed themselves to genocide. It's everyone elses fault that something that literally every competent campaign manager would have told you, that ignoring and overriding your own base on issues they care about, whilst spending the entire campaign trying to appeal to people who hate you with "but we can be racist and do genocide too!!!!!" could be a losing strategy.
  
  Funny how the policy of unconditional support of Israel which both parties have held since the end of WW2 suddenly becomes an issue when it could hurt a democratic candidate. It’s a manufactured outrage and suckers fell for it. Palestinians have been under a slow genocide for years and none of you even knew or cared.
  Oh my God, shut the fuck up you disgusting cretin. The absurd lengths you'll go to do apologia for genocide and to avoid blaming people in power who actually set policy and campaign priorities. The absurd reach you have to do to demand other people shouldn't care about something.
  You're a racist piece of shit who only cares about any of the groups you mentioned as a cudgel to insist other people can't or shouldn't care, at the same time as you present yourself as some realist pragmatist who is the only real defender of these people. It's absurd and a horrific mentality that you inexplicably refuse to hold people in power accountable for their own policies, and insist the only option is to arbitrarily and randomly carve out those who you deem acceptable targets, only to then blame them anyway if/when you lose an election from bleeding support.
  You could care less about immigrants being put into concentration camps by the US, trans kids being tortured, or women being forced to carry their rapists baby. You are so blinded by the single issue the propaganda you inhale has told you to care about, you don’t think about the suffering your ignorant choices cause.
  In your attempt to say I shouldn't care about Palestinians, you already have given away the game. Who's to say you won't scold people in 4 years for caring about trans people when Democrats help pass anti-trans legislation and potentially lose another election bleeding their base of support? Democrats have already been signing onto shitting on immigrants, so surely next election it's already decided that it's gonna be "Oh so you let their immigration policy stop you voting for them!!???" If/when they lose again.

Well it's certainly an improvement over the eight billion the Dems just sent.

Trump has 4 years to catch up. He has to fund his plan to remove all Gazans.
- Maybe. But there's a big difference between what Trump might do in the future and what the Democrats have already actually done for real.
  
  Trump - casinos, brothels, and gangsters
  Democrats - Naval bases, air bases, brothels
  
  Yeah, that latter is way more harmful.
  
  That what Trump will do will be worse is a certainty for anyone who paid attention the last time he was in office.
  
  All these BlueMAGA liberals who couldn't even predict that they were going to lose the election now suddenly acting like they have Dune style prescient super powers.
  
  He literally said he wants to forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza. It's reality, not a prediction.
  
  Yeah, and we all now Trump has never said anything he didn't go on to do. Idiot.
  And as ever, blueMAGA shitlibs care more about what their politicians say than what they do.

Yes this is a lot less than Biden sent.

He's got 4 years to catch up. After all he has to fund the removal of all Gazans he proposed.

What I want is to replace First-past-the-post voting with STAR voting.

Imagine all the time you'd save from not having to go to every single thread to blame people literally unrepresented in government for the democrats failures.

And you would only be able to pass voting reform through democrats.

Have you considered the possibility that this is not what people who voted against KKKlansmala wanted, but trump did it anyway?

He was very open where he stands, and even was complaining that Israel did not wipe Palestine faster.
- Trump isnt open on anything. He says something then the opposite and then agree with both statements. This isnt an exception. He said some of the most inhumane shit about the palestinians i ever heard, and he also criticized Netanyahu harder than any potus ever did. If you say he is clear about this issue, please teach us because the rest of the world cant say the same. And to add some context, 1b is a very rookie number, to say at least. Biden did 8b a few days ago in a single move. Idk if hes testing the waters with the american public and will subsequently give more or if he is giving a farewell kiss to israel and wont send a penny from now on, but theres 0 chance any potus could go without paying tribute to aipac, even if meager