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jointhefediverse.net - Why was Lemmy removed from the list of fediverse alternatives?

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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

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Lemmy was removed due to:
reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
the behavior of its creator
how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.
All valid concerns.
- I hate it when people try to gatekeep like this. I don't need to be handheld. If there's a Fediverse alternative to something and it mostly works, it should be on the website. Anything less is not useful at best.
  Edit: I say this as someone who has historically criticized the behavior of the devs as well as multiple Lemmy communities BTW.
  
  Well, since you've vocally criticised the developers and they haven't bothered changing their ways, wouldn't you agree they deserve to be gatekept?
  On the other hand, it's not for you to decide the criteria for what is included on jointhefediverse's curated list. I personally think it is a perfectly reasonable judgement call they've made.
  
  No, I don't. If it's about instances I'd understand it a bit more, even though I wouldn't entirely agree with that either (I'm a free speech stan), but this is a page listing Fediverse alternative software. The software is fine and relatively untainted from the intentions of the Lemmy devs from what I can tell (although that was not originally the case). They deserved to be criticized, but not censored from Fediverse articles listing alternatives to big tech platforms.
  
  How is this censorship though?
  You can always start joinfediversefreespeechstan.io or whatever. The code is even available, no?
  I could never understand american-style preference for "free speech" themed theatrics.
  
  Because as the leading "Fediverse alternative" website, it essentially tells the viewer that Lemmy doesn't exist, which I think does a disservice to prospective Fediverse users.
  But yes good point, anyone can make an alternative website, I think right wing people made like a fuckgab.com site back in the day to recommend Gab alternatives on the Fediverse.
  
  It's not "censorship" when somebody decides to omit a software from a curated list over the developers' horrible takes. See also Soapbox.
  Edited to add: Free speech does not obligate anybody to boost or acknowledge subjects that they disagree with.
  
  Generally fair point. My issue though is that most people will just go to this website and won't consider other lists or websites, viewing this as the definitive list of Fediverse alternatives. Someone not putting someone's software on their website isn't technically censorship, true (this is the other coin of free speech), it does effectively censor Lemmy from the general conversation about Fediverse alternatives.
  
  Do most people go to jointhefediverse, though? Honest question, I don't know the site's traffic stats vs fediverse.to or fediverse.party (which both show up way above jointhefediverse in my duckduckgo search). It's not like an authoritative index or search engine blackballed Lemmy, it is literally about a single grassroots site.
  
  It's the first one I always see whenever I look up lists of Fediverse alternatives and I always end up on the site. I use fedidb.org but I don't use it to find Fediverse software.
  
  Lemmy is bigger by a LOT (LIKE A LOT) than mbin and piefed. So don't see how Lemmy is losing the strong grip it already has on this type of fediverse. Heck, google reddit alternatives and Lemmy is also king.
  This change on that site was in 2023. It's 2025. So it has not impacted Lemmy's user base.
  
  Another good point 👍🏾
- Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.
  It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.
  
  Have you checked how muh software do you use that is enabled by capitalism?
  
  Linux Foundation survives on Microsoft's financing. Firefox main source of income is Google's money. That's like pointing out that we breathe nitrogen. Yes, it is almost impossible to avoid capitalism because we live immersed in it as a society. But it's not an reason to stop pointing it out and trying to find more ethical and sustainable alternatives.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDF_Public_Access_Unix_System
  wow that's interesting :D
  
  SDF is pretty rad.
  
  Yee
  
  Yup! I should make more use of the awesome infra (and the much better payment model than $ocial Media) but alas, I'm like a cat: lazy.

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