Maybe Lemmy can forcibly invent a new term for "ricing". (Good faith pls)
Maybe Lemmy can forcibly invent a new term for "ricing". (Good faith pls)
I'd learned about this last week, and this stuff is a bunch of Wikipedia searches so forgive me if I miss anything :]
Similar to git master and whitelist/blacklist having addressed racist origins, I've just learned that "ricing" -- i.e. way-far-from-default, colorfully souped-up *nix customizations -- came from a derogatory word for Asian "riced out" cars.
(click to enlarge spot where I came to learn about this)
Example in the lemmy.ml/c/linux community.
The linked Wikipedia article doesn't list *nix ricing specifically, but it's probably not a far reach -- for example, tech's master-slave came from cars too.
Now I'm not here to start a debate on whether the term itself is bad. The arguments are done to death and predictable (old threadhope I can link here). Rather, I posit that we could probably invent a new term if we forced it hard enough.
For example, 4chan forcibly invented the use of the ok hand for "white power", as a collective prank (Wikipedia).
Further, Tumblr invented 'then beg' as an insult response to 'I beg your pardon/to differ'. (click to enlarge)
Based on Pukicho.
So why can't Lemmy invent something too?
Here are some earlier takes. (click to enlarge for source, but they are listed below anyway)
I surmise it has to be (1) somewhat unique and (2) short and nounable/verbable.
- Customization doesn't fit -- it's too broad. Changing the wallpaper is a customization -- diagonalizing your screen is a rice (term to be replaced...).
- Bespoke doesn't fit either. That's for a duct-tape script you hack together.
- Pimping out... is not a good alternative. It preexists(citation needed?) and has inertia but it's not any better.
- Souping up... doesn't roll off the tongue so much. But it's food-related (and thus not far from "rice"). Though I can't see myself saying "Yo, check out this epic soup."
Brainstorming welcome :P
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I removed this because it has nothing to do with linux specifically, and as expected, it brought out a lot of people defending the use of this historically racist term, and /asablackman'ing it.
I've reinstated it and removed the offending comments for now.
Also I don't know why this needs a discussion at all. There's hundreds of words in english for something that looks good, and you can be more specific about it : snazzy, sleek, cool, streamlined, nifty, retro
removed the offending comments
In one of which an Asian dude literally says it's not used as a derogatory anymore. Talk about being offended for others
An stranger on the internet just gave you license to say a historically racist term, how convenient for you. Next they'll be some /r/asablackman posters saying its okay for you to use the n-word, because it doesn't bother them.
Should they've included a selfie or an id pic? Because when black ppl use that n-word you're trying to draw parallels with (which, BTW, is still a derogatory towards a person and has no other meanings, as far as I'm aware) nobody gets offended. And, aside from the use of the "r-word", their comment was a valid opinion on topic asking for that opinion
It's not like black people using the N-word, it's like white people using the n-word because a stranger on the internet said it's ok.
aside from the use of the "r-word"
You don't think them casually dropping a slur might invalidate their opinion on whether a different word is a slur? Fucking LLM-ass logic right there.
The "r-word" in question refers to the being food discussed (although it's not really a discussion, given we have the correct opinion and "your comment is getting deleted" opinion) in the post, since we're apparently deleting comments for using it now. Hence the quotation marks.
As for the 1st paragraph, (a) i'm arguing it's nowhere like using the n-word at all, and (b) it was said by the Asian dude, so I don't see how so.
Are you telling me that you have so little understanding of slurs and their use that you think people are getting banned for saying using the word rice? You cannot be serious. How dare you think you have the intelligence to hold an opinion.
I know what you're arguing you fucking dunce, I just told you you're wrong. There are plenty of slurs that aren't as bad as the n-word, you're not allowed to use any of them. And b) doesn't matter. You don't use the n-word even if a black person "gives you permission", because that makes you a fucking racist.
I'm telling you the post explicitly asked about opinions, and the "wrong" ones that used the "r-word" happened to be blocked, and there is a comment from another mod that explicitly tells they'll remove stuff using that. Although it's a reasonably short comment that's easily blocked from view with a medium-sized justice boner, so it's understandable you've missed it.
Although, you're somewhat right, the meaning of a slur was a bit off in my vocabulary. I'd still argue it isn't one in context ('cause it neither refers to a person nor is it derogatory in its current form)... However, I'd also like to play along and give you folks another (and, arguably, a more worthy) which hunt target -- chinesium. You know, currently a derogatory, currently refers to a particular nation, so...
the "wrong" ones that used the "r-word" happened to be blocked
I'm sure you can find enough examples of the word rice, ricing, and ricer to put two and two together and realise the "r-word" isn't what got them blocked.
there is a comment from another mod that explicitly tells they'll remove stuff using that.
No it doesn't, because that hasn't happened.
nor is it derogatory in its current form
Are you really not able to put together how transferring a term used to deride body modifications (using ethnic associations) to UI modifications is derogatory? Do you think it magically lost context somewhere along the way, the history of the term just disappearing into the aether?
I'd also like to play along and give you folks another (and, arguably, a more worthy) which hunt target
Stop trying to worm out of this you wretched little shit. Defend using that on the site and you'll also get your comments removed, but we're talking about your racism right now.
Allrighty, so here's the comment: https://lemmy.ml/comment/16077970 Granted, not exactly how I phrased it at times, but the gist still stands.
body modifications
Citation needed, as they say. I only saw car bodies being modded.
your racism
Bold of you to assume I have smth against groups of ppl based on their race because I'm not into your* guilt complex about your* ancestors inventing X phrases and abusing Y groups of ppl.
Not trying to "worm out", and still stand on the form being inferior to the meaning; just pointing out a commonly used coinword with the exact meaning ppl are looking for, 'cause at this point I'm inclined to see the world freeze.
* not necessarily yours in particular, just an assumption you're from the US
not exactly how I phrased it
Yeah, no shit buddy, and your "gist" can be pretty forcibly rejected by reading these, which use some form of the term without defending it: https://hexbear.net/comment/5821220 https://hexbear.net/comment/5819913 https://hexbear.net/comment/5821145 https://hexbear.net/comment/5819994
Citation needed, as they say. I only saw car bodies being modded.
body modifications. [...] I only saw car bodies being modded.
body modifications. [...] bodies being modded.Bold of you to assume I have smth against groups of ppl based on their race
So it's not that you have anything against asian people, you just think it's ok to use a term that origtinated in saying japanese people eat so much rice they even run their cars on it. Uh huh. Would you defend the N-word on the basis that it's a commonly used word and you don't understand why it's so bad?
just an assumption you're from the US
Extremely unsafe assumption, but newsflash - your ancestors don't need to be the specific ones who invented a racism for it to be racist to act like them. If you copy someone else's racism you are still the one being racist. You've been told multiple times by multiple people that the term is racist, but you're arguing it's not racist because you don't know how it's racist. Have you maybe considered you're just not very smart and need to study racism a bit more? Maybe learn what this whole "microaggression" thing people keep talking about it?
I saw a BlackPeopleTwitter post yesterday where one local (so, black) user gave another Asian user a coveted "invite to the cookout" for posting some decently well meaning kinda intersectionalist words, and they ATE THE FORMER USER ALIVE, saying paraphrased obviously "we give this privelage out way too readily to people who evidence the bare minimum decency". Some people want to gel so bad they jump the gun and so you can't assume one minority giving you a privelage related to their community stands for all in the community. The paradox of the N-pass.
The paradox of the n-word pass is similar to the paradox of the daoist leader; if you were of good enough character (as an outsider/Bourgeoisie) to warrant the privilege of leadership/cookout, then you'd be wise enough to never want to use them.
Yeah but it doesn't affect me and I'm fine with using a racist term because I choose not to think about it. That should make it fine for everyone.
I'm not racist I'm just so tired of all this anti-racist stuff @john89@lemmy.ca