Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord
Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord
This is completely counter productive to growing Lemmy. I absolutely despise discord. Look at the network traffic it generates and tell me wtf they are doing. They won't tell you. Their business model will leave you completely dumbfounded as to how they exist. Everything shared on the platform is lost in a black hole unavailable to the outside world and everything shared is a privacy nightmare. Posting this, pinning it here, and locking it is one of the biggest trolls possible. It pisses me off every time I log in. "Everyone else does it" is the excuse of idiots. Discord makes absolutely no sense to anyone that actually cares to look into it, read the user agreement, and ask sane questions about what they are doing.
You're viewing a single thread.
Why care so much. Nobody forces you to do anything, don't like it don't use it and you can still enjoy Lemmy World. The entitlement is a bit much honestly.
Edit: for some perspective. This comment currently has 23 downvotes, only 5 of them are from Lemmy World users that actually see the local pinned post.
But this means that the community chat will be in discord. If I want to chat with other members in this community, I need to join discord.
So it would be better if another option would be advertised
Sadly to manage Matrix is more difficult and harder to moderate ( there is no mod bot and developing is a mess )
I thought https://github.com/Gnuxie/Draupnir was a solution?
Edit: just had a look at the chat and updated the link
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If volunteers were to setup a Matrix room, would it be possible to add a pinned post with it in a similar way to the Discord one?
As always, thank you for your work!
That would interfere with any official matrix set up by our team should we decide to in the future. I appreciate your proposal don't get me wrong but then others will ask the same for their own ideas/projects and the announcement community is strictly for official Lemmy World announcements.
I completely understand, and that's why I was a bit surprised by AvaddonLFC comment just above about "suggesting better options".
Quite a few people already mentioned Matrix, so I don't see what else people could do?
Yeah, there are not a lot of alternatives. We'll see about matrix but that would mean more work for us too. I's not that we have anything against matrix really, it's that discord is what most of us had been using before.
And we have people like @Rooki@lemmy.world writing kickass bots for it.
Weโll see about matrix but that would mean more work for us too.
That makes sense, which is why I suggested another team of volunteer setting that up, and then proposing it to the LW admins, who would then decide if the solution look good enough for them to be officially endorsed?
That would allow the people pushing for Matrix to start working on a solution that could potentially satisfy everyone.
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Using https://github.com/Gnuxie/Draupnir ?
The bot by default includes support for bans, redactions, anti-spam, server ACLs, room directory changes, room alias transfers, account deactivation, room shutdown, and more.
The Lemmy account verification is an interesting point, how is it currently handle in Discord? There might be a way to have a similar mechanism in Matrix.
Edit: had a look at the Matrix chat and updated the link
If you're so upset about out-of-instance interaction, just defederate altogether from all other instances. Turn into Truth Social. Or close the server. Jesus, just take criticism with grace.
This thread is about unpinning a local thread. Something that does not affect people from another instance at all.
It pushes people to other instances. It is quite disenfranchising to some. I was here before you by a small margin, and was one of the most active users in promotion of positive community building. You are creating a problem no different than reddit. Matrix is the alternative built into Lemmy. Your resistance to this is why you should not be admin here.
criticism
Which has no merit at all to begin with, since out-of-instance users do not see the pinned posts of Lemmy.world. He's right to call out most of you for simply concern-trolling.
Most of you
How hateful. I'm a user of this instance and I dislike that stupid pinned message. It's ok to have a Discord chat, but to have a promotion permanently pinned is a power trip move.
He's literally telling you that most of the downvotes are not from lemmy.world (because as an admin you can only see downvotes from your local instance, which means the rest are certainly not from there).
As said elsewhere, people on Lemmy are alt juggling quite a lot these days.
Having someone voting from another does not mean the user doesn't have an account on LW.
Is your main account on lemmy.world?
It was until I couldn't use it for weeks due to server instability.
Are we trying to register who's spending how much time where now?
So we agree then that you don't see the pinned posts of lemmy.world, since you haven't used your LW account for weeks and moved on to another instance.
Well, I would try to use it, then I would see the pinned post, and then it would remind me that I'm not a fan of that decision, so I would go back to my alt.
Monthly active users on LW have decreased in August compared to July, so maybe it's a trend, who knows.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmy.world
It's strange for me to have you trying to say that my opinion doesn't count as I'm still contributing very regularly to LW communities such as !casualconversation@lemmy.world.
What is the threshold of time spent on a LW account from which a user's concern are legit, according to you?
my opinion doesnโt count
It literally doesn't count because it's about what LW users see, not you. Your main account is on discuss.tchncs.de, you don't see the pinned post and you just admitted that you haven't used your LW alt at all for weeks, so please be honest and disclose that in your future comments.
I should switch back to my lemmy.world account to downvote you in a better way?
And you not taking the critisism about discords shady data mining and privacy practices seriously makes you look trolling.
Yup! Its not a forced thing. Where you get "special" news or so. Its just a off site platform where LW can tell whats wrong if the site goes offline. For the casual user, its the easiest to join.
Its just a off site platform where LW can tell whats wrong if the site goes offline.
Hello,
Thank you for your work!
For that specific use case, would it be possible to set-up a Mastodon account posting heads-up about incidents?
There are already monitoring sites that provide that info:
I am well aware of those, but then what type of information is on Discord? Why cannot that just be added in comments to the incidents on the status pages?
I don't know what's on Discord; I haven't joined the lemmy.world server. All the important announcements are on lemmy.world. if it's down, then it's down, come back later.
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Up next only Linux users allowed on Lemmy
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As you admins high five and circle jerk each other over your shitty decisions.