these folks sure are quiet these days
these folks sure are quiet these days
i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out
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Blaming the voters instead of Harris who ran on a right wing campaign of neoliberalism and genocide? You're so willing to sacrifice Palestinians, voters can so obviously see that you would readily sacrifice anybody for those right-wing votes. Y'all haven't learned a god damn thing.
I blame the voters and Harris. The Harris campaign was bad, but voters don't get to escape the responsibility of the result that the mathematical reality of the US electoral system bestows on them.
congrats you found out how to hold two truths at once 😆 something that you’d think brings physical agony to internet users based on how rarely it happens
(e: mean this genuinely and am glad you have this position, sorry if this sounds excessively snarky ❤️)
Don't say such ignorant things. That's not how elections work at all.
Voters don't have any agency except what the ballot affords them. They are virtually powerless as individuals. What you're blaming are agents with virtually no agency to change.
It's how elections aren't supposed to work, but it is how they work in the US. If you don't vote in favour of one candidate, it works out to a half-vote for the other candidate. It's the inevitable reality of a two-party system, which sucks ass, but it's still there and voters are still responsible for how they choose to deal with it.
Not voting for Harris means realising a Trump victory. It's just how it works in the US, and no amount of principled ideas can ignore the mathematical reality of the US electoral system.
Also, I don't buy into the idea that voters are powerless sheeple. Organize, protest, strike, options a' plenty. But Americans are apathetic and don't care enough to realise actual change. And it's clearly possible, given the track record of several leading human rights activists in the US. But it is hard, and people don't even bother trying something if it looks hard.
Also, I don’t buy into the idea that voters are powerless sheeple. Organize, protest, strike, options a’ plenty. But Americans are apathetic and don’t care enough to realise actual change. And it’s clearly possible, given the track record of several leading human rights activists in the US. But it is hard, and people don’t even bother trying something if it looks hard.
You misunderstand, voters are powerless as voters. That's how liberal democracy is inherently structured. People only become empowered insofar as they cease to be mere voters, through, as you say, organization, protest, strikes, etc.
And apathy? You think not cosigning a genocide was an act of apathy? You think voting for the dems, which then signals that dems can win no matter what evil shit they do, was a viable long-term strategy for change? In political science, not voting is one of the few actions afforded to the near-powerless voter, and it is a choice that people chose afforded to them from of the shallow politics of the ballot. Had Harris won, it would signal that the dems can cheer on genocide with no consequences. Genocide has consequences, now the dems know it and will ignore it at their peril. Voters chose the only choice afforded to them that allowed them to punish incumbents through protest votes, spoiling ballots, etc. That's basic polsci.
Voters aren't sheeple, they have complex calculus and Harris and the dems simply ignored it at their peril. Blame them, not the voters. Harris was doomed the moment she supported genocide.
but Israel has a right to defend itself bro!
(sarcasm)
Justifying genocide? Lemmy is worse than Reddit at this point.
OOPS! added a tone tag. that was deep deep sarcasm in response to months of human dehumanization and murder. it’s a direct quote from the person i am criticizing. my fault.
thanks