these folks sure are quiet these days
these folks sure are quiet these days
i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out
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It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.
I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.
But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).
When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the "criticism of Isreal is antisemetic" accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the "never genocide" people took their place.
It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.
the “criticism of Israel is antisemitism” accounts are gone because they were banned. Zionism and the insistence that a genocidal state is indivisible from an entire ethnic group is racism, and against most instance’s TOS.
“never genocide” content does not break TOS and so has lasted since october 7th through today. to the uninformed eye this dynamic might look like a change in tactic but really it’s just two different groups, one which got banned after a few days or weeks and one which did not.
just correcting your “change in tactics”/“it’s astroturfing” narrative. i don’t think it holds up in comparison to a much more likely explanation, and i might even use the word ludicrous to describe your argument unless you can provide further evidence.
Considering the fediverse's low market share compared to non-federated alternatives, I'd be suprised if any malicious actors waste time and money running a psyops here. Like, you reach more people on Reddit for the same ammount of effort.
thank you for saying this skskkssk. Occam’s razor: is it more likely that foreign psy-ops have incredibly poor cost-benefit analysis skills (while excelling in everything else), or that a couple dozen people have deeply held beliefs that led them to be vocal in the midst of tragedy?
call me crazy but the latter narrative makes a lot fewer assumptions.
You'd reach more people on bigger platforms, but it is easier to steer the conversation with smaller groups. So I don't think its totally clear-cut where the best psyops targets would be.
if they are running a psyop its probably a secondary effect of psyopping twitter or some shit, leaking over to here in a more genuine fashion.
Literal astroturfing, if you will, what the definition of astroturfing actually is lmao.
Psyops are everywhere
Oh, don't worry, the conspiracy theory is capable of making sense of any incongruities like that, just like OP can explain away the fact that we didn't actually disappear as predicted. You see, this is where the Russian bots practice their techniques and try out different lines before deploying them on a larger scale.
It's not based on evidence or reason so the believers will never be convinced based on evidence or reason, same as any other conspiracy theory.
That is the exact mindset they are looking for.
It was 100% astroturfing, 20% people falling for bullshit. Sounds like politics
15% concentrated power of shill.
“criticism of Isreal is antisemetic” accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the “never genocide” people took their place.
So let me get this straight... you think that hasbara accounts turned into anti genocide accounts.. thats your brilliant theory? they just all switched sides?
I dont even know what to say to logic like that.
Absolutely! There is no doubt. Such fallacies is what they do. Mostly they go with "they are all the same", then take an absolute approach attack on the principles of the left(er) political party.
I guess we could start saying to those people “I guess you hate LGBT” and “you’re complicit with refugees being deported” and “good job putting the last nail in the coffin of reproductive rights”. I mean, somehow they couldn’t say shit about those issues, just “OMG JOR BIDEN GENOCIDE” and ignored that letting Trump take office would be worse for Palestine as well as terrible about the aforementioned issues. Odd.
We didn't ignore those issues child. They were directly related to gaza. A willingness to throw palestinians under the genocide steam roller is the same as the willingness to throw LGBT+, etc.
Hell harris couldn't even speak plainly about transgender medical care. The only reason she didn't do it is because she thought that would lose her the election where the Palestinians wouldn't.
“Child”, ha. Nice move to condescension immediately.
Anyway, you’re STILL ignoring that Trump is going to be at best just as bad about Palestine and likely worse. So, good job, you’re really helping Palestine by getting someone even worse elected. I’ve been trying to explain this for like 10 months now and it sure has been a waste of time.
As far as LGBT issues, likewise Trump is 100% guaranteed to be much worse. So, your speculation about Harris doesn’t hold up there either. Guaranteed worse vs maybe not whole hearted support? Let’s go for guaranteed worse, yeah!
I'm not ignoring trump being as bad as harris and biden on israel. You're just refusing to understand that trump being as bad doesn't give you leverage in this discussion.
Let me be blunt: your candidate blew, she blew in 2020, she blew in 2024. she had shit policies for key demographics and it cost her the election and now you have trump.
You're upset that people like myself will not condone the lesser evil argument when its applied to a fucking genocide.
You're also upset that people saw harris for the gas lighting shit stain that she was as a politician and decided not to support her on economic policies.
You're also confused that we care that trump won. I personally dont; I see it as a unfortunate outcome to a failed political party being unwilling to meet the needs of its electorate.I'm going to do what I can locally to minimize the impact of his administration fully acknowledging the fact that harris/biden fucked up hard core and the democratic party has lost its way.
Harris and the DNC only have themselves to blame. You, as individual, only have yourself to blame for not understanding key demographics within the electorate and ensuring your chosen party carters to them. Supporting gaza and labor rights would have cost you personally nothing. Yet you've decided to persist in this nonsense and as a result not only did you get trump. but you're likely going to keep experiencing these loses to fucking fascists because you are unwilling to pull the stick out of your holier than thou ass and demand your politicians represent working class americans.
You may of course can continue persisting in your illusion that your lesser evil policy was the better strategy than meeting the needs of the electorate upon which the DNC relies, but it literally lost them the election, TWICE.
Your willingness to sacrifice the few to save the many is exactly what lead to the polling numbers that allowed harris think she could continue down the shit policy path that she had during her campaign.
Expecting others to suffer, unneccessarily I might add, just so you personally won't and refusing to acknowledge their complaints is what landed us in this mess and is not some great sacrifice on your part. It simply shows you for the absolutely horrible human being that you are.
That is why you're a child, because you selfishly demand the sacrifice of others for your own comfort.
This is the exact same conversation I’ve had about this for months, as noted. Your points don’t really make sense or seem valid to me. I’m not “a child” due to this. Maybe you should gain some maturity and stop using dumb condescending insults. What you’re saying about me “demanding sacrifice” from others doesn’t correlate to anything in reality. So, another pretentious “OMG IM SO LEFTIST” person with poorly thought out positions, big surprise.
In the US presidential election, yes, you don’t get a perfect candidate. You’re voting along with millions of people. The concept is to vote for the person who best represents your views and has a chance of winning. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
I guess we could start saying to those people “I guess you hate LGBT” and “you’re complicit with refugees being deported” and “good job putting the last nail in the coffin of reproductive rights”.
You literally told palestinian americans to stfu and accept their friends and family being murdered because of these groups.
If you dont like being condescended to then grow the fuck up and comprehend what we've been fucking telling you for months. The fact its been months of this and you still dont see the problem here is exactly why you're a child. the theory of mind development stage. go look it up.
In the US presidential election, yes, you don’t get a perfect candidate.
nice straw man. literally no one asked for a perfect candidate. But for toddlers I suppose expecting them not to support genocidal monsters is a bit much.
The concept is to vote for the person who best represents your views and has a chance of winning. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
because you assume my goals are the same as yours. remember that theory of mind development stage? my goal is to elect non-genocidal, ideally candidates who also support social safety nets and good economic policy for working class americans. see the difference in goals? Now you wanted your candidate to win, to win she needs votes, we had votes to give her in exchange for concessions on policy. She refused, thus we refused. She lost. Simple as that.
Once you pass the theory of mind childhood development stage maybe i'll take you seriously.
I appreciate the level headed take.
Because we can’t save Gaza immediately
What do you mean by this? That the president can't or that voters can't because their choice is voting genocide or worse genocide?
The dems have been taught a lesson
Based on the response of the media, and elected democrats, no they haven't lol. They're blaming the left.
but their conscious is clear, somehow
I think this is reductive and does not acknowledge why many people did not vote democrat.
What do you mean by this? That the president can't or that voters can't because their choice is voting genocide or worse genocide?
In my opinion, the genocide was not anywhere on the ballet. There was no feasible choice. I don't think we had a choice to save Gaza immediately on 11/5. I'd rather fight for people in our regular shit then have to fight for people in whatever hell Trump is planning.
Based on the response of the media, and elected democrats, no they haven't lol. They're blaming the left.
Maybe we're not seeing the same articles? Don't get me wrong, I do see people blaming leftist/liberals/Russian bots, etc. But the I've seen posts and articles about how the dems fail the working class and looking over why they were abandoned. Sanders has been very vocal about the dems failure, and he's not the only one. Not saying there's no blame on the campaign, I've just seen both 🤷🏿♀️
I think this is reductive and does not acknowledge why many people did not vote democrat.
I don't think so. I didn't see this election as "dems VS rep." I saw this as a vote to stop facisim. There was no vote I could make that day that was going to stop the genocide in it's tracks. I didn't believe that not voting was going to make anything easier. I see tons of, "Well, what will your compromise on? How many people can be killed before you say enough is enough?" I don't feel like I compromised, because that makes it seem like I had a say, at least by 11/5. I wasn't like, "okay, I'll allow genocide if they keep abortion rights." It was, "One person is asking for a ceasefire, but not making a clear statement against the genocide and continues to say she'll continue what Biden is doing," and "One person has told me he will give Israel the okay to turn Gaza into a crater, as well as make any future progress or change exponentially more difficult, and will harm anyone he doesn't like." Why would I pick the latter? The kid who can't afford lunch didn't put me in this position, nor did the teenager bleeding in the parking lot. It feels like they were so focused on teaching the Dems a lesson that they forgot the consequences won't affect the politicians, it'll affect us. All of us, whether we like it or not.
I feel more helpless about Gaza then I did before the election. The recent meetings in my area have been down right depressing because we know it's just going to be so much harder. And it's upsetting that it feels like it didn't have to.
It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.
Already happening under biden. 🙄
I mean yes that's true... but we already know the pattern, Trump is going to quintuple the pace and extremeness of it. The next democrat to win (if one ever does again), will continue the status quo set by the previous republican, possibly slightly reduce the acceleration of it (while still allowing it to accelerate).
And you will vote blue no matter who, continuing the cycle.
Let this country fucking burn. Let the boomers who voted this fraud in lose their social security and Medicare. They’ll learn.
It’s unlikely we’re making it 2030 between climate change and the risk of nukes.
honestly my vote doesn't matter anyway. Claudia De La Cruz got .1% of my states vote.. It was already known before it started that trump was going to win by a double digit percentage.