Delection
Delection
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thank god trump one and so now the genocide is all over.
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No one forced the democrats to do this:
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yeah its not like republicans tied ukraine aid to aid for israel or anything. /s
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this gets into a completely seperate thing. He could not give them it without congress but the US only very reluctantly restricts commerce. Its a very different thing to say im not going to fund your war and im not going to sell you stuff when dealing with a long time ally. And no you don't just throw away diplomatic relationships easily. If countries did they would have stopped having dealing with us in trumps first term.
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Oh so you're telling me Biden had no choice. Ithe most powerful man in the world couldn't do anything but enable Israel and its genocide?
Oh that makes sense and doesn't fly in the face of reality at all. /s
Bonus for you
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
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It would not have been impossible but it would have been problematic. I mean he could send troops with the war powers act. Its possible but not really something he could realistically do.
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Problematic to stop genocide? Reflect on what you just said, that's monstrous.
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Cowbee I just want you to know I have you tagged as "comrade fighting the good fight" and stumbling upon your comments educating people always makes my day a bit better. That's all🙂🛠️
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Thank you, appreciate the kind words! I'm going to step away from Lemmy for a few days and touch grass, but I'll be back 🫡
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Maybe we shouldn't have supported Ukraine if it meant supporting genocide
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And in a mirror universe where that decision got made someone's arguing "maybe we shouldn't have cut funding to Israel if it meant allowing the genocide in Ukraine."
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what gets me is would the hamas attack and thus the isreali response happen without putin. Im very suspicious that he was not pushing on making more chaos globally to get our of the cluster fuck he started.
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You seem very picky as to which genocide is ok.
The Russian land grab and physical and cultural genocide of Ukraine.
The Israeli land grab and physical and cultural genocide of Gaza/Palestine.
You can’t be absolutist about one and hand wave the other.
No purity for you.
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The US is not currently causing the genocide in Ukraine.
The US has not spent 80 years covering for genocide in Ukraine.
The US has not spent 80 years being the attack dog of another nation commiting genocide in Ukraine.
I'm not in Russia. I was not born in Russia. I do not pay taxes to Russia.
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Thank goodness the Democrats perpetuated the genocide in Gaza so they wouldn't lose to Trump! 🤦
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Yup. I don't understand why people are talking like Harris isn't also pro-genocide. Obviously more Americans are going to die under Trump and that's a tragedy too, but why are people pretending the election was about Palestine?
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The election was never about Palestine, ultimately the Dems lost of their own volition by running rightward with Liz Cheney. Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide and running on a progressive platform, or even a Leftist platform (which the DNC would never do, for the record, even if it would win), they deliberately chose to lose to the reps. Their donors would rather have Trump than progressive Dems win.
More Americans would die under Harris as well. The US Empire is crumbling, even if Harris won that wouldn't stop that process, what's necessary is for the working class to get organized.
Meanwhile, Palestine burns and the Dems got away with it.
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Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide
Irrelevant
Trump ran on “the Dems aren’t doing enough for Israel” and won the Arabic vote
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Trump didn't win the Arab-American vote, Harris lost it. Arab-Americans pivoted towards the Green Party and PSL.
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It’s the same thing
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It is not the same thing, lol. If Arab-Americans wanted Trump to win, they would have voted for Trump.
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He didn't though, Jill stein got like 40 percent, Harris and Trump got 20 each.
Honestly this simplification comes off as disingenuous and attempting to play Arab voters are more conservative and backwards.
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Good thing never once has a common citizen ever voted on issues of diplomacy and international relations, otherwise some idiot who can't handle anything but a white ethnostate would be left in charge because of hand-wringing simpletons. Fuck off with the high and mighty act. Democrats aren't responsible for this, it's been happening for nearly a hundred years and you tools just found out about it and made it your whole personality. Fuck you for giving us Trump again.
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- The Democrats share responsibility with the Republicans and Imperialists that have supported Israel's settler-colonial genocide for nearly a hundred years
- I have been pro-Palestine since far before October 7th, 2023
- Even if I wanted to get Trump elected, I couldn't. The Democrats lost because they ran an awful campaign and shifted even further right despite polling telling them that at that point swing voters would rather vote for Republicans.
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I advocate for worker organization and revolution, I blame the Dems for spoiling the left as far-right wingers and I blame the Reps as far-right wingers. Even if every single third party voter in every swing state voted for Harris and convinced 2 or 3 others to do the same, Harris still would have lost handily.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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How am I misleading anyone? What have I said that's false? You might need to step away from the keyboard for a bit.
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What mistruths? You can't point to anything, you just namecall and slander. Point out something specific.
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What in the world are you on about now? Can you come back down to the realm of reality, so we can uave an actual conversation? How would I be both a Russian Bot and an all-powerful third party voter that somehow decided this election?
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Acknowledge what? Saying I need to "acknowledge the genocide of the Russian people by Stalin" in a thread going over the very real ongoing genocide in Palestine is deflection, for 1. Secondly, what specifically are you referring to as a genocide? Political purges? Famine? Historians don't recognize a genocide committed by Stalin against Russians, they acknowledge excess deaths, so I need to know specifically what you're talking about or else you're going to throw a fit again.
Step away from the keyboard. I'm an American Leftist, I'm a Marxist. I have never been to Russia, nor have I been paid by Russians. This is an absurd conspiracy theory.
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I think the correct thing to do to give yourself agency moving forward is to project blame onto 10 million people staying home.
I think that this will let you further develop yourself and do the things required to meet your goals.
What do you have agency over right now? Are you part of any democratically run political organization right now?
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Politics isn't gonna fix what is being undermined and dissassembled in our Democracy right now. Y'all keep coming up with pompous causes to distract people from REAL action. Fascists are my target from here going onward. I see or hear one and I react, with action. Enough discourse, we fight.
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Just so you know you can't defeat fascism without defeating capitalism. I recommend reading "the economy and class structure of german fascism" and "fascism and social revolution".
In general individual action doesn't really help address social problems.
Politics isn’t gonna fix what is being undermined and dissassembled in our Democracy right now.
I dont think electoral politics will work but you have to expand your definition of politics if you think electoral politics is all that politics is.
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Bullshit. The acquisition and accumulation of wealth is not a fascist construct. Yes rich people are fascists quite often but this stupid anti-capitalist rhetoric must stop. Whatya gonna do, abolish money?
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Yes, actually, eventually abolition of money is an important goal of Communism. You may wish to read Prices in a Planned Economy to learn more about what that looks like and how it's done.
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