4mo ago

Hexbear's admin twisting reality (and we haven't defederated them yet 😋)

The original french post that motivated hexbear's decision : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685

There is already various posts here giving us reasons to defederate them, one of them calling to violence against french :

On jlai.lu :

Dessalines, one of Lemmy main developper is taking part :

Some of hexbear supporter denying being part of an attack without any apologies :

Should we support Lemmy or migrate to another software as Mbin, piefed, sublinks ? Time will tell.

Mbin

Mbin's roadmap : https://github.com/orgs/MbinOrg/projects/5
One instance running Mbin : https://kbin.earth/

Piefed

Piefed's roadmap : https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/projects/7800
Flagship's instance : https://piefed.social/
Piefed news : !piefed_meta@piefed.social

Sublinks

Sublinks's roadmap : https://github.com/orgs/sublinks/projects/1/views/6
Flagship's instance : https://demo.sublinks.org/
Sublinks news : !sublinks@discuss.online

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As Hexbear becomes increasingly isolated, more and more of their users will start making accounts on other instances. After migrating, they'll still have their toxic post truth discource, but they'll be harder to identify at a glance. I'm definitely not against cutting ties with Hexbear, I was in favor of it when Lemmy world did it. But now I'm dreading the thought of those users trickling back into my feed one by one. For my personal Lemmy experience, the existence of Hexbear was great in that it kept so many toxic people contained in a place away from me.
- Deplatforming works. Some Hexbear users might trickle away, but the inconvenience of needing two accounts discourages most of the casual dogpile trolls.
- I highly doubt there's much more migration than before. Hexbear existed as a standalone site with no federation for years before the reddit apiocalypse caused the mass migration to Lemmy.
  
  They spawned from CTH on Reddit getting banned into dirt years ago. That's actually a good chunk of how Lemmy came to be in the first place iirc. Hexbear has been on Lemmy for years, but only because they socially-squeezed themselves off of reddit with their classic "style".
  
  They truly are redditors
  
  It goes beyond that, when people use Redditor as a slam, these are the people that are being invoked.
  These are the cretins that are universally-laughable.
  
  Sure, but my whole point was that you can't exactly expect defederation to impact their culture in any meaningful way considering being completely defederated was the status quo.
- If they join another instance, they will not benefit from as much local support, the social pressure will eventually discourage them, and they will probably just go back to using only their local bubble.
  
  Their time in isolation from when reddit banned chapo did them no favors. When it was banned it was a flavor of radicalism that was tolerable.
  They've devolved into something much worse, in the style of the red guard in China killing avowed communists for not being communist enough, and thinking it's a good thing. They're just screaming into the void making all leftists look unreasonable and bad, and wondering why no one can stand them.
  I've yet to have an interaction with someone from hexbear post reddit exodus where I thought to myself, "you know I bet they're pretty chill in real life."
- If they keep their attitude they'll be kicked off most instances, generally they won't be able to circlejerk so after a while I'd expect them to self-isolate again.
  
  You're probably right. Case in point: Linkerbaan was eventually banned, although it did take a long time.
  The opinions on this were interesting. My simplified take: One person thinks it's even worse than I thought. One person thinks it's not going to be a problem in the first place. And 3 persons think that it's a problem that will resolve itself, so no reason to worry.
- They already do that. They do it a lot on Reddit.
  I know some of them who have like five reddit alts they cycle through in a single week. Truly bizarre

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