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Is there an argument I could make from my position that wouldn’t read as bad faith to you?
- You’re here trying to garner support for the hopeless psl within weeks of an election, so….
  No.
  
  I was trying to garner support for the psl here months before the election too, and years before it in real life organizing.
  Just for the sake of completeness, if you can’t see a persons position as having a good faith form, doesn’t that mean you’re the person here in bad faith? If you truly believed there was no earnest true believer doctrinaire communist that was committed to their party of choice because they really thought it was the best use of their and everyone else’s time, wouldn’t you just report me as misinformation or whatever and move on?
  I’ve always considered bad faith to be not the person I disagree with but the person who isnt willing to engage with anything I’m saying, to assume that there’s a human being on the other side of the capacitive predictive text thumb pad and that they have reasons behind what they’re saying that are worth listening to.
  
  Not when they’re actively trying to undermine an election.
  
  It’s not clear from your comment, who is actively trying to undermine an election, me or the party for socialism and liberation?
  
  If you support the PSL and are pushing people to waste their votes weeks before an election?
  In my opinion? Both of you are.
  De la Cruz should have stopped running months ago when it was determined to be mathematically impossible for her to win. That she continues to pull votes from the one person that CAN win is all anyone needs to know about the nature of her purpose.
  And yours.
  
  As I’ve said before many times, votes cast are not wasted. They are counted and have an effect even if the candidate loses.
  Does the fact that the mathematical impossibility you referenced has been disproven change your assessment that de la Cruz should have dropped out? It would change mine…
  Does it seem odd to you that instead of engaging with (or possibly even reading) anything I’ve said, you claim that all a person needs to know is that I and the psl take votes away from your preferred candidate (which is a statement I dispute)?
  Do you think there is any place in our electoral system for third parties and their voters or should they all just abstain for fear of undermining the election?
  
  Don’t complain if Trump wins.
  
  I didn’t complain when trump won. I got out and organized. I was so active at that time I was even in government (albeit in a lowly local position). None of that stopped when Biden won and no matter what happens in November it’s not gonna stop.
  
  Right… but somehow you believe that it will all stop if a do-nothing, ineffective, untested nobody like De la Cruz gets elected?
  Yeah man. That is ALL anyone needs to know to determine your purpose here.
  I’m done with you now. I feel disgusted just having this discussion.
  
  I never said I would stop if de la Cruz wins. A de la Cruz win is part of the possibilities encompassed by the statement “no matter what happens in November”.
  It really seems like you’re going out of your way to read my responses in the most negative light possible and just ignoring things I say that go against that reading.

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