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  • Going to watchep 4 tonight so I have not read your post yet but they really lost me when they had the orcs being like "we don't wanna fight we have peace" lol

    • Come back and let me know how you feel!

      Interestingly, I'm kinda down with the orc stuff. As far as lore is concerned with, I don't think Tolkien was every happy with what he'd done with the orcs, or at least felt like the ideas weren't finished. That they are derived from elves is right there, thus Adar, and given that this is all supposed to still be "early", and kinda not that long after the first age, it makes sense to insert some diversity from that. It's not like the show's orcs aren't orcs, they're still plenty awful creatures. They've just added some backstory and depth to the "race" I'd say, pretty much inline with the lore AFAICT. And also consistent with how Tolkien wasn't entirely sure about having a race that's intrinsically "evil" to the point that it gets passed directly or genetically on to its children. Given that their origin is through the torture of elves, it makes sense that they could be conditioned to revert and that being lead by Adar, an essentially half orc half elf creature, has that effect.

      One could also argue that it adds weight to the harm done by Sauron's work. That a truly better world could have come about had he not sought to rule it.

      • Yeah, in LOTR and the hobbit they're just evil animals on 2 legs, cruelty embodied, basically a reflection of the worst parts of humanity.

        I really like that these orcs have more depth to them, even in the silmarillion they were just empty villains.

      • Ok, full disclosure I am by no means a LOTR fan Ive seen the movies and that's about it... But

        I really agree with your last paragraph about how they seem to be trying to fit a square inside a circle type of thing with trying to fit the GOT type of universe and storytelling with political power inside of something where it feels just off. I wish we got more details on what the rings are how they give powers etc for me all I know is that they are elven made rings that have mithril (no idea how to spell that) in them and now boom they are magic.

        As for my thoughts on this season so far I don't really think it's good either. The fights or actions scenes really look bad no idea why like in the last episode where Galadriel fights the orcs it seemed like the orcs just did nothing and she did fake looking moves and then of course a slow motion back bend. And then hommie grabs the arrow... What... Anyways I do agree the dark wizard and the fellas with the masks are actually really cool and intriguing and how they are hunting the stranger (this might be one of the only things I like right now) the harfoots with him could kinda care less. I remember being interested in the other main elf with the group of humans but now he just seemed to have done nothing besides help carry water in first 4 EP and now will go hunt orcs because of the promise to the trees that's cool. As for the other guy who meets the girl and ride on the horse (sorry I know I'm terrible with names...) I just fail to connect with him like at all he seems boring and makes stupid decisions like helping that fella who was broken down on the road.

        Thanks for you take on the orcs however I understood them as being intrinsically evil like how the dark side in star wars is intrinsically greedy and evil.

        Edit: I still like it though lol it's good enough looks fantastic and I love fantasy

        • Thanks for the reply! Makes a lot of sense to me.

          And yea, names, Tolkien, and this series which is going pretty hard on correct pronunciation … Is a tough combination!

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