Ukraine-Russia Megathread 3

Being told this is fairly reliable for info on the situation in Ukraine. let me know if it isn't. https://liveuamap.com/

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how can Zelensky be this far gone he allows Kiev to become a battleground with thousands of armed civilians? give up, stop before this becomes some fucking Grozny shit
- Putin is not Hitler, the guy fucking sucks, but he's not gonna genocide Ukrainians or something. this is not a fight for life and death, just let the inevitable come and end the bloody war
  
  Zelensky needs a hitler though, he wants an out and he wants NATO to bomb whatever is left
- putin shoud not have invaded in the first place. the blood is on his hands
  
  zelensky was elected in 2019. Also i don't care if he violated minsk 2 - nothing can justify this invasion
  
  this shit is crazy.
  wars don't end with everyone shaking hands and saying "well thats that, let's draw a line under it"
  this is only going to make things worse for everyone in the region who's not directly profiting from war.
  the best case scenario now involves thousands dead, a mass refugee crisis and crippled economies. and the low level violence will very likely not stop.
  war doesn't wipe the slate clean. what the fuck does it mean that this could work out
  
  all true. Also i live in russia and i am very concerned about my country becoming an international pariah, completely destroyed by sanctions. I'm sure there were plenty of diplomatic solutions to this - what's happening right now is absolute lunacy
  
  Putin already tried. Obviously the US wants war.
  
  Sure, but Zelenskyy still needs to surrender to prevent as many deaths as possible.
  
  what ought to have happened is no war, but that's not the situation we're in. Putin is not gonna back down as much as I would very much like civilians not to get shot at or bombed, and while Ukraine cannot win the fight they can end it sooner
  
  For the war? yes, for the sending of Ukrainian civilians to fight tanks when the fight is lost? no that blood is on the idiot who ordered them to do that. Putin is sure as hell facilitating Zelensky's chance to do this shit though

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